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Gold Coin, Made Of 21 Carat Pure Gold, Jewish Heritage, Ancient Egypt

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 Posted 09/26/2023  3:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is 21 grams correct?

I think that something made of gold that large from the ancient or early medieval world is next to non-existent.

And, as kushanshah point out, this type of star is less likely to be symbolizing Judaism that just being a design element. It was also used widely on Merovingian and Anglo-Saxon coinage of northern Europe:
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https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=5721749

I agree with others it's more likely a jewelry piece than a coin.


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 Posted 09/26/2023  5:49 pm  Show Profile   Check MetDet71's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add MetDet71 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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A typical gold test kit contains acids for 10k, 14k, 18k and 22k


Not so. A typical 'school boy' testing kit includes acid for silver, 9ct, 14-22ct and steel/platinum.


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You can buy kits that do 'everything'. I have tried them before and they are rubbish.


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It's not a coin. I would assume it to be a modern zodiac medal. The stars arranged around the scorpion clearly indicate it is meant to be interpreted as the star sign Scorpio.

It almost certainly isn't "Jewish"; as noted above, the Seal of Solomon (which usually has a dot or star in the centre of the hexagram) is an occultic traditional symbol that predates the common use of the Star of David by the Jewish community.

If you google "gold scorpio medal" or "gold scorpio coin", you will find millions of little tiny gold scorpion medals very much like this one. They all have some kind of loop or attachment to be worn as a pendant, which this piece seems to lack; it may have been held in place by a bezel instead.

The black colouration worries me; 21k gold shouldn't turn black like that naturally. I suspect it may have been artificially "blackened" to try to make it look older.
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@met, you will see that I have edited one of your posts from this evening to remove a personal attack. It is fine to disagree with another member, but please keep the discussion purely related to numismatics.
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Regarding my previous comment, I was speaking from personal experience working as a gold buyer for a number of years. My point was that typical gold kits include various reagents but nothing specifically for 21k. A very weak reaction to 22k acid might be interpreted by some as "21k" but most would default to the highest test unequivocally passed. I didn't think it necessary to discuss all possible items included in various metals testing kits. We used XRF analysis when warranted but on a day to day basis, I found acid-stained fingers preferable to radiation exposure.
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There is nothing "Jewish" about this coin (or whatever it is), other than the hexagram (which as others have pointed out, means different things to different groups, whether Jewish, Muslim, metaphysical, North African, etc). In ancient/medieval Judaism, scorpions and snakes are sometimes used to symbolize places without G-d's law, so no Jewish minting authority would have ever put either on a coin or token. This item may be gold of one fineness or another, but it's certainly not of any "Jewish Heritage."
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