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ICCS Says This Is An 1858 Small Date 5 Cent - I Say What?

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 Posted 09/29/2023  1:05 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Loruca to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
My confusion is beyond the pale.
I just got back a shipment of about a dozen coins sent to ICCS - In record time! Absolute props for how fast they're doing things these days.
Key to this shipment were two coins, a 1955 Fu Manchu - which, when I received it, proceeded to fall right out of the certification sleeve because of a failed heat seal , and the following 1858 5 cent coin, which in my eye, seemed like an obvious large date. It's very possible that I'm the one making the mistake here, but I'd like the forum's input on this!
Thanks!
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 Posted 09/29/2023  1:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like large date to me too.
Thick 1 and thick top 5.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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 Posted 09/29/2023  1:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Loruca to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To add insult to injury, I'd actually marked it as a large date on the submission form, and they crossed it off, and wrote "small" next to it...
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 Posted 09/29/2023  3:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zonad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your coin is a small date.
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Well there you have it from an expert.
But it still looks like a repunched date to me.
Something I don't understand about these is that if you look on ebay there are almost as many large dates for sale as small dates in the mid grades, yet the BV of large dates is about eight times that of small dates.
Something is amiss.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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I have one struck with same die.
I believe the date may have digits which have been repunched with small date digits, not with large date digits. I've only gone through 1/2 of my 1858 five cent coins. Will continue looking. Mine is more worn.
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 Posted 09/29/2023  6:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zonad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And, it's much easier to see size difference when you have entire reverse photo to compare. Charlton catalog only has pictures of digits unfortunately. I had same issue as you if I went back to beginning of my search for varieties.
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