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New Discoveries On Old Coins Possible Or Not?

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So how many varieties or errors or even die clash are out there that have only one or two examples? Why can't it not be completely plausible if there's a variety or error found 30 years ago and not another one found sense couldn't there be one not found for 30 years? I mean I've seen a few coins in my hunt that have some sort of doubling but can't be caused by machine or mechanical.
Take ejection doubling for example no matter how you look at it there's going to be some sort of precision there even if there's a vibration jolt or slip and even pinch. There's going to be some kind of pattern Left behind indicating a machine with precision it may be not functioning correctly but even a broken machine will function with precision. Just like diagnosing engine problems if it's misfiring it still has a distinct pattern to it or if there's a vacuum leak and it throttles up and down there's a pattern to it. Like a Dryer Coin there are very distinct characteristics of any coin that goes through the lint trap of a dryer and while most dryers are built similar they have their variations but you can still tell by those precise characteristics that it went through a dryer depending at what point it gets trapped at.
The reason why I say this is because I have shared some coins that automatically get The Machine Doubling comment. When the numbers, letters or whatever is in question has sharp lines and corners but has somewhat bubbly doubling that is two to maybe even three times thicker than the original lettering or numbers and is also outside the capabilities of a machine. And dye deterioration does not explain it because Die Deterioration is a continuous state that flows together and blends inn. Kind of like a bike chain and sprocket at first everything's nice and tight and clean but as you ride it the sprocket points thin out and the chain stretches and everything becomes sloppy but yet smooth until it completely fails. But you wouldn't notice any alteration to the chain or sprocket if you checked it every 5 minutes because everything is smooth and meshing well together.
But the one thing that would be very apparent after deeper analysis is that the sprocket points no longer have sharp lines and corners. But if you videotaped the entire life of the sprocket and chain you would be able to see why sharp lines and corners can't be categorized with deterioration.
So my assumption is that if there hasn't already been a discovery and the characteristics of the coin can't be explained it's written off as Machine Doubling.
Maybe I'm missing something
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New discoveries on old coins are possible. I have discovered new Doubled Dies on older coins myself. WDDR-012 is one of them. http://doubleddie.com/398701.html I can show you more if you want. You just have to know where to look. Also, understanding the minting process goes a long way too. Studying these websites might help you. http://doubleddie.com/58222.html https://www.error-ref.com.
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I discovered a third Barber dime reverse type 40 years after John McCloskey documented that there were two, and his documentation was 64 years after the last Barber dime was minted. What you're talking about with MD, DDD or actual die or punch doubling is a bit different. Show us what you're talking about.
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I'll have to figure out which site I posted to the coin that I'm talking about or get new pictures new pictures would probably be better because I've got macro lens now. But here's a couple that I question. And I have read doubled dies from variety Vista wexler's coin help you I've read Mike diamond's literature. I'm also a welder fabricator and entry level machinist. Just to give a little background on me

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Sorry I just noticed that I posted the same picture One was taken of a screen of my digital scope the next one I uploaded through the SD card
So here's a full face shot. I still see separation in the l and I with split serfs

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That was a lot of reading - yes I just skimmed it. But yes, new discoveries are being made all the time on older coins.
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The question I've always had was, how does a coin get an "FS" #. Does the attribution have to go through Coneca, or do they review all the attribution sites we use to look at to references, or submit new attributions. Also will they revisit years with new discoveries from past years to review for FS designation?
There are many coin years that don't have an FS designation.
Does anyone know the process or possibly reprocess of this?
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FS stands for Fivaz Stanton, the two guys who first published the CherryPickers Guide. They decided which coins they would include. They picked mostly "major" varieties, so FS varieties are really good ones to search for. Some TPGs thought this was a great thing, that now there was an authoritative reference for some major varieties, with 99% of the minor ones excluded, so they decided to attribute those and not others. Other TPGs will attribute most varieties listed by CONECA.

With the passing of JT Stanton, other folks have gotten involved in the latest editions of the CPG. I can't say the definitive list of who now decides what will be included, but there is a small team that does this.
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Thank you Rmps. I appreciate the response.
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