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United States
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Submitted raw to PCGS and results (not the coin) came back today. Genuine AU Details (92 - Cleaned). Not disputing it but not sure how this was determined. Assuming they're referring to just the obverse. Can't see any rub marks/scratches on it. If it was dipped/whizzed how was this done without affecting the reverse?   Obverse desaturated  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I assume that the obverse has been cleaned and re-toned/recolored.
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United States
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Looks AU and details to my eyes, nice photography. The dull areas in the fields around the devices (raised areas of design) show the ligh wear or handling marks, especially in the de-saturated photo.
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A couple of years ago...I sent in a batch of 30 Morgan and Peace dollars...It was my first submission. Sent them to VSS (Variety Slabbing Service) for one of their bulk submissions to PCGS. 10 of the 30 I sent in were not gradable...I was motified! After I got them back...I looked and looked...why? Then with the proper lighting and rotating them...I could see light hairlines on them...even through some light toning...but it was there... Just my experience...thought I would share. smat |
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OK so what I'm getting is yes it was cleaned on the obverse and the dull areas mentioned could be indicators. Thanks for the mention of hairlines also. I'll have a good look for those or something akin when the coin finally arrives. If I can bring myself to look at it objectively (not my coin but as someone else's) it does seem odd an AU coin of that age could be so squeaky clean. But only on one side. That's what threw me. Surely is a disappointment though. Whoever did it was good.
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Easy call ! Definitely cleaned , recoloured.
Great photos.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Not sure how accurate the color is in your first photo, but the bluish-green color in the crevices of the hair might also be due to some chemical residue left behind from the cleaning.
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks Zurie for the input. The colors are pretty much spot on.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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if I saw these photos without a grade I would have called AU details (cleaned possibly AT) the color on the obv is not natural which indicates some type of chemical clean and not rinsed properly or AT
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Bedrock of the Community
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United States
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Thanks I think you guys nailed it exactly. Curious though why PCGS didn't note "questionable color". Just a curiosity question. I have to agree the obverse color doesn't look right.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Looks au58 from the denatured photos to me.
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Curious though why PCGS didn't note "questionable color" they already noted it as AU Details (92 - Cleaned). they probably could not determine if it was AT or if it was from the cleaning and the residual chemical caused it. I believe they use AT if it can be determined that it was caused on purpose. i.e. baked etc.. |
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Looks like they made the correct call on that one.
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Posted 10/05/2023 8:03 pm
