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2023-P Jefferson Nickel: WDDR Or DDD Quandry

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I spent quite a while looking through the new BVC 2023-P listings, but there are so many variations on the TIC in Monticello that I got lost after a while.

On a side note, I was quite amused to see that Jefferson's Morning Paper is the first listing.

http://goccf.com/t/449313
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Nice DDR! I like that one.
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Good eye to spot that, nice coin.
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I can't get over this weird sensation that the features are just DDD. Maybe it would help if I understood the theory of how and why these are DDR.

The pop doubles I get—always in the center, caused by convex blank die, due to the play in the die until the pressure crushes it into the collar, shallow feature, clear separation of the doubled feature, repeatable across denominations (lines in door nickels, 2009 Lincoln's extra thumbs, Washington's earlobe, etc.).

The twist/shift doubles I suppose I get? The hub and die are engaged, and due to pressure and slight play, the blank twists slightly distorting the letters. Although there is a LOT in that theory that doesn't make any sense, starting with the violation of geometry. A shift should distort all engaged devices. A twist should rotationally affect devices equally, which means more distortion further from the pivot. But I accept the CONECA theory on that one, mostly because I am not in a position to dispute it.

This seems like neither pop nor twist? To me it looks like the top of the T has a deterioration line cutting through the crossbar. I will need to examine pristine coins to be sure, but the T crossbar and post should be the same thickness. The I and C ghosting remind me very much of that thorough discussion we had a couple months ago about a pair of 2011-D nickels and DDD ghosting.

Really curious about these new doubles. Also, it seems that 2022-2023 doesn't have typical line-in-door doubles. Maybe they changed the manufacturing process slightly in a way that causes lines on the doorway bottom now, and features on the Monticello lettering?
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For reference, the original discussion about the DDD on 2011-D nickels.

http://goccf.com/t/449676&whichpage=2
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From my desk, a 2021-D nickel that I had labeled as " DDD MONTI". Highly visible metal movement in the direction of the doubling, all towards the center, probably pulled by the huge cavity of the Monticello building on the die. Is this not the same phenomenon as the 2023-P imaged above? The T and I look quite similar.

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The third picture has the light source pivoted 90 degrees, and it's easier to see the soft fading and feathering from the top of the T and I.

Ignore the E, that very dramatic zigzag appears to be from a circulation scrape.
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