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1875 20c Twenty Cent Silver Double Dime

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 Posted 10/12/2023  9:06 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add numismatic student to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
$423. Listed as EF but it looks like a proof strike to me. Coin is dark but still looks attractive. Who knows what lies under the shadows. Thoughts? Thanks!

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THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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 Posted 10/12/2023  9:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Since the coin is so dark, I tried playing with the lighting attributes of the image to see if I could view the surfaces better. Not sure if it's any more helpful but better than nothing I guess.

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THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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 Posted 10/12/2023  9:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks polished to me, dark or not.
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 Posted 10/13/2023  12:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with EF.

I hadn't thought about it being polished, but a second look has temped me to agree with that comment.

Sometimes, when a coin is polished and then acquires a nice patina, the effects of polishing appear the be somewhat hidden.
Perhaps that may have deceived whoever graded it.
(And, I admit, almost me as well ), - it it hadn't been for NumisED
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 Posted 10/13/2023  10:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
tough one to call due to photos. best guess is mid AU. high chance it was polished
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 Posted 10/13/2023  1:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add captainmandrake1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
polished came to my mind as well-subsequently retoned
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 Posted 10/14/2023  01:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would still be tempted to buy it, but I would negotiate.
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 Posted 10/14/2023  10:59 am  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks AU to me given the sharpness on the shield. No opinion on whether it was polished, but it doesn't look proof to me.
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 Posted 10/14/2023  11:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
AU at best. Could be polished.
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 Posted 10/16/2023  5:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This one came in today. Obverse is darker than the reverse. First set is in the 2x2, second set is pictured directly out of the flip. Hard to make out on the scale image, but the coin weighs 4.99 grams, so fairly close to the 5g standard for this issue. In hand it looks pretty spectacular. Further thoughts? Thanks!

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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS
THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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Quick and dirty video of the coin.

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THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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 Posted 10/16/2023  8:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Obverse still looks polished to me. And stripped of any luster. Maybe it was over-dipped?
The reverse if not bad and I like the toning, but there are A LOT of hits.
If it was me, I would go for a XF example with eye appeal, or a beautiful GRADED AU58.
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 Posted 10/16/2023  9:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unlike the 1875-S that has a mintage of over 1 million and the 1875-CC which had a mintage of 133,000, the 1875-P double dime had a mintage of just 36,910. The CC lore makes that date-mm more in demand, but the P mint is an overlooked low mintage coin.
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THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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 Posted 10/16/2023  10:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MisterT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think NumisEd called it when he suggested over dipped.
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I for one think you got a great deal at $432 for a beautiful low mintage double dime.
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The reverse definitely looks more original with some nice toning. Perhaps the reverse was protected in an album, while the obverse was subjected to periodic rubbing that caused some wear and a polished appearance. Still looks like AU sharpness to me, and attractive overall.
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