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Valued Member
Lithuania
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Greetings to all fellow collectors. Recently I acquired a part of old collection of different coins, mostly German but it also contained a descent amount of world coins including some Aussie pieces. So I worked through them and have learned that most of these being quite common coins from 1917 to late sixties but one of the half pennies appears to be 1923. I've learned that it's a key date worth much more than the entire collection I've got so since it's a too good to be true story I'm asking for help. Weight and diameter are in range - 5.67 approx and 25.5 mm, coin has descent brown to purple toning similar to other common coins from the same haul. I don't see any obvious evidences for it's being fake but maybe because I don't know were to look? :) So I'm here to ask Australian collectors to take a look and share your opinion. Hope the pictures are good enough.    |
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Nice pics.
The coin appears to be genuine.
Diagnostic die crack at the base of the date is visible.
Watch your top knot
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Valued Member
 Lithuania
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The coin appears to be genuine. Thanks! Does it look like getting a straight grade? Quote:
Diagnostic die crack at the base of the date is visible. I can see more - like the small crack going through IND IMP at the obverse. Does it mean that there poor quality dies used for year 1923 coins? |
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Australia
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Looks genuine to me too. Has been cleaned though although still worth around A$500. Grade would be fine allowing for the cleaning
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10/27/2023 11:42 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Agree with airgem, it looks like its had some sort of clean.
I don't think it will grade straight.
Watch your top knot
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Australia
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I can see more - like the small crack going through IND IMP at the obverse. Does it mean that there poor quality dies used for year 1923 coins? I read where only one Reverse Die was used and it deteriorated early in the mintage so no point in replacing Obv. Die.,which was also failing I guess. It took a long time for Researchers to work out what was going on with the 23 Half,they new it was a scarce coin but it wasn't until the 1940's they realised most of the 1923 mintage were dated 1922. Coin seems genuine but as stated has been cleaned and polished somewhere along the line. Overseas Collectors/Dealers purchased many Coins from their Australian Agents as we headed to Decimal currency in the 1960's,1930 Penny and 23 Half were high on the list, Edited by Basil
10/29/2023 6:03 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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For the education of us all,
there can be found a few different Google references regarding the date alteration and identification of fake 1923 Half Pennies.
It is well worth the effort to look at all of those Google references.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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@sel_691
It would be useful if you posted links to some of them because I haven't found any!
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Lithuania
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I read where only one Reverse Die was used and it deteriorated early in the mintage so no point in replacing Obv So the die was poorly made and had deterioted instantly? There are different estimations of exact mintage but mostly going around 15k pcs. Quote:
It is well worth the effort to look at all of those Google references. I obviously underestimated the fake-makers. My initial idea was to study the final 3 since idea of making 3 out of 8 was pretty obvious. But I didn't expect there might be also 1933 or literally any last figure attempetd to be fixed :) Thanks a lot! How in the world I would tag the right user? Quotes were pretty easy to master with general HTML code but repliyng to exact person still is a kind of mystery to me :) |
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Lithuania
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Agree with airgem, it looks like its had some sort of clean.
I don't think it will grade straight. Since it has nice eye appeal and considering the number of forgeries on the market I would rather get it slabbed as a proof it's genuine. Or at least recognized as genuine - we all know that NGC and PCGS guys used to mess up with non-US coins previously. Dear All - since the were only few reverse dies used - or maybe even only one - there couldn't be any variations worth mentioning, right? Multiple small die cracks are rather common for these coins for obvious reason and probably doesn't give any premium. A bit of offtopis - Since 1922 reverse dies were employed again to strike more coins instead of deteriorated 1923s maybe there were some mules found in the wild, like 1922 reverse and 1923 obverse if the were any differences on the portrait? |
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