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1924 S LWC Improper Alloy Mix

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But is the reverse wear or damage?

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Reverse is showing wear and stains.
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I doubt the improper alloy mixt here.
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How would you explain the obverse, @silviosi?
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I am going with alloy mix because lines are going one way and only on top half. If it were some sort of staining I would think it would effect the whole panel?
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The coin shoes it's been harshly cleaned, but it is a woody.
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I understand yours point of view.Please look at the OP pic crop and better resolution. The lines are raise. An woody coins surface is not lines raise.

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With respect, I do not understand your English and do not understand what you are saying.
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What I say: The lines we see are raised and the woody coins planchet do not has this characteristic.
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Yup, I concur that this is a classic "woody" improper alloy mix as I have several nice examples in my collection. From the pictures given, it appears that the obverse texture is wavy, but methinks it is an optical trick of the light...
The coin itself could have a weak strike issue on both sides.
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wow, the lines are raised above the fields? what does this mean...I had to look through a 16x loupe, but the periphery of the obverse had almost a rust look to it at the beginning of the stripes but the alloy does not maintain an elevated position as the stripe traverses the obverse of the coin to the opposite side.

So is this a doctored woody and therefore is just PMD from a harsh cleaning or some other environmental damage---this will force me to look at the other coins I classified as wood grain alloy mix error.
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Please, just s simple answer - are the lines raised or not? Yes or no?
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Yes, raised
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IMHO, varying rates of environmental corrosion of the different metals could account for the raised lines on this "woody".

For newer members to the hobby, the accepted definition of a "woody" is an improperly mixed alloy cent. The different types of metal are blended/mixed together. When the metal is blended/mixed uneven streaks of color can be produced on a coin from oxidation as the coin ages.

Different metals on the surface can and will oxidize (toning) or corrode (damage) at different rates. The colors can be affected by different rates of oxidation and the surface can be affected by corrosion from moisture, depending on the type of metal.
Some impurities can enhance or inhibit oxidation.
(Thank you Bing for some of the finer points above.)


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PETE: nice exponential with the exception: If this coin was or present metalic oxide I was one of the first to see.

If it is improper mixt of alloy, first:in 98% of cases affect the both sides O and R are afected and second after the rolling, the material (future blanks) are smooth surface. So any enviromental interferences will become automaticly PMD.

This coin lines are rised on complet form of I will say enviromental causes (could be included also human interferance)

Sometimes we want to assume x or y coin it is an error (human behivior) but from point of view of a collector we has to be realistic and on the point.

This it is no woody coin

PS: Never, ever on my recall see an real woody with just the demarcation lines rised and oxided with no affect of the resr of the coin.

2. Who it is "Bing?"
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