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1787 Fugio Cent - Assistance Needed. Tia

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Please skip the next few sentences if you're only interested in the coin and my question, or read below for background. I'm a 'hack' whose interest in coins have grown day by day since my retirement with no particular coin type focus - yet. If I had to pick, I have a bunch of Shield nickels - some of which I may soon take the leap and have TPG graded (1880, 1879, 1866 RPD). Now the fugio - while looking through a box labeled TOKENS in a junk shop, I saw the fugio and recognized it from past readings. Scored it for a song, which at the time I was unaware of its potential value. Now my questions.

Please while commenting and or correcting what may be bad guesses, also include your diagnostic clues that lead to the correction so I can learn. Thanks.

First, as the side pic shows, there seems to be a dent in the coin at 7PM obverse. Through reading, I have eliminated this coin being a NH Restrike based on the fugio G and sun's face. Note also I believe the diagnostic document I used has two less varieties than what is currently documented.

I've interpreted my ornament position to be CL (clear left, pic 4) and my 4 cinq's at 5 1/2, 12 1/2, 6, and 11 1/2 (although very challenging based on coin condition), and based on the listing which only has one CL diagnostic I would guess I have a 6-W (pic 5). What confuses me though, is my coin does not have 'top of 8 filled' as shown in pic 6. Can this be one of the 2 varieties missing from my sheet? Have I totally blown the diagnostics? Did I find a new variety?

I have many other detail pics (1 with no horizontal 1; no club rays; the 4 cinq's; fugio G; etc.) and can take any others that may be needed to assist. Thanks.

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OK - so while proofing my draft, I see the ornament MIGHT be LC (left corner) so I've uploaded cinq #1 as variety 7-T has it 12 1/2 versus 5 1/2 for 6-W - I now see it can be either.




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Here's a disappointing shot of the reverse "W" and almost as bad second "E"

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I'm looking forward to what our experts say.
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Haven't had a chance to figure out what it is yet, but definitely not 6-W. The lettering in MIND YOUR BUSINESS does not match. OK, had a chance to check, pretty sure it is a 7-T It's all in checking the alignment of the letters with each other, the ornaments and the beads above.
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I like using this for ID'ing Fugios. https://coins.nd.edu/fugio/Newman1-24/ It's 7-T, I'm sure of it. Pay close attention to how the letters in the top row of MIND YOUR BUSINESS align with the letters in the bottom row. Also the position of the beads in the ornamented base line below the sun dial in relation to the letters.
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Thanks, all....
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