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Advice On Removing Dirt From IHCs?

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 Posted 04/07/2009  10:17 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add tomchad to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This seems to be the best place to ask this question. Recently I bought a small collection from a friend. The collection has about 45 Indian Head cents among other assorted coins and I know they have never been checked for key dates or variety. Many of the Indians have some crud around the date and other devices and it makes it hard to check for date over and other variety markings. In some posting people have recommended dipping Lincoln cents in goo be gone, but I don't want to try this on IHs. So, is it possible to lightly and gently remove some of the dirt without damaging the coin or patina or the value?
Thanks for the advice,

Tom
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 Posted 04/07/2009  10:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hmmm

CRUD: a deposit or coating of refuse or of an impure or alien substance; muck.

I have heard that ACETONE would help remove the possible PVC.

As far as removing natural CRUD...I have heard that distilled water could possiblly loosen up the debris.

Many folks in the numismatic network (myself included) would say "leave it alone!" You could only do worse damage to it that it has already gone through.

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Try acetone. This would be a safe method to remove some of the grime.
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In some posting people have recommended dipping Lincoln cents in goo be gone, but I don't want to try this on IHs.

That might work on Lincolns, but IHCs are old enough where removing a layer of crud will likely expose a discolored surface on the coin. As one who has tried to (gently) remove dirt off IHCs, I'm familiar with the risks, which include:

>Exposing discolored metal or even verdigris hidden by dirt. This is never a positive development because the coin gets a look of selective cleaning.

>When moving dirt around devices with a soft, fine object...it's very easy to push a speck of dirt or verdigris crystal into the metal. You'd be surprised how a small hard grain can dig a very bright scratch into a coin, especially on the visible areas like dates.

I'm averse to recommending any cleaning/conservation on IHCs. But if you like taking risks, I'd suggest starting with the common dates (1900-07) using the most gentle methods you can devise under magnification. That way, you'll learn the threshold of damage for IHCs, and the effects of different techniques.

Since I collect die varieties, I have devised a detailed technique which allows me to loosen dirt around dates with minimal impact on the coin surface. First, I've found that denatured alcohol does a better job of loosening excess dirt than acetone. So I soak the coin overnight in a container of denatured alcohol. I remove the coin and put it on a stable, non-damaging work surface--I use a watchmaker's vise with soft jaws. Then, using a still soft rose thorn and a loupe, I'll just barely touch the area of dirt with the thorn, while flushing the area with a drop of alcohol. I do not scrub or dig at the coin. Usually, this is just enough to lift off some dirt to expose an important detail (such as for repunched dates). After the work is done, the coin is flushed again with alcohol and then dipped in distilled water and allowed to dry.

I did mention this was a detailed process, didn't I?
This method is not for everyone--in fact you do so at your own risk. If you want to fiddle around with 100+ year old coins (and not screw them up), conservation work becomes a time-consuming form of art. Good luck!
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WOW! Talk about the finer details! I don't have patience or the time for such an intricate operation, per side, per coin!

I would just call the crud "character", who knows what person left their mark on a piece of coinage as they dropped it in a tin cup of someone on the unemployment line during the Great Depression or as they waited in line at a soup kitchen. If these coins could talk... "don't clean me".

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 Posted 04/08/2009  12:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep, told ya so...
Course, if you want to remove excess dirt off a major IHC variety, this is about as aggressive as I'll ever get.
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Is it possible that this "crud" was in fact vertigris? Here's a rule of thumb I always use....
1. rarely clean coins, if you need to no abrasive cleaning or rubbing,and never, ever clean Copper coins.
2. if there's something that needs to be cleaned like pvc damage, I use a universal solvent. Acetone is most usually recommended, but I personally prefer lacquer thinning liquid (lacquer thinner)
3. Ultrasonic jewelry cleaner's offer a safe alternative to remove dirt and debris from a coins surface.
4. severely encrusted coins can be cleaned by soaking them in olive oil, a method commonly used for burried ancient coinage.

The "crud" may have been from the coins being on the ground at some point. ~ Jim
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A good, short list!
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 Posted 04/08/2009  3:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tomchad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Of these Indian heads there are about 8 that are totally corroded and or damaged. I am not planning on doing any work to the good ones but I will test some of these methods on the really bad coins. These are my first Indian heads, soon I will be posting some pictures if there is anything worthy and asking a bunch of questions. Also, I am open to any advice on reference materials or sites. I don't have a Cherry Pickers Guide for cents, should I?

This is great information about different cleaning methods and advice. Thank you all for taking the time to post.
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My two-cents worth:
I soak the coins for a month in mineral oil, then using a rose thorn, or a thorn from a lemon,or lime tree, (they are much bigger, and easier to work with), remove the crud. I don't mess with the verdi-gris. the crud will at times show a brighter spot, uunderneath, but I leave the coin exposed to the air, and it slowly will darken. If you use acetone, be sure it is the commercial grade, not fingerpnail polish remover, as it does not do the job.
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