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1883-O $1 Morgan Dollar #23

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$51. Thoughts? Thanks!

1883-O-$1-Morgan-Dollar-#23
1883-O-$1-Morgan-Dollar-#23
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THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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My thought is that you are abusing our system in order to get free grading and pricing.

Sorry, but that is just what I think.
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I can adjust how I participate if folks feel that way. The way I think about it is that to get better at grading you need to grade a lot of stuff and I provide that material. But no biggie if folks think I am abusing the system here.

How would you suggest I change how I participate here?
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS
THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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Hmm good question. I personally don't mind you posting these groups @numis--see below for the subforum description. It seems like a really good opportunity for our members to see a large number of coins of the same date/mint/denomination in order to pick up slight differences in grade. For folks who aren't interested in learning about the minor grading differences at the top end of the scale, then they could just ignore these posts. Perhaps consider limiting these groups of coins to once every few days? That way, someone posting a single coin won't have their thread "buried".


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Thanks for the guidance Spence.
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THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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I don't think it is abusing the system at all. The coins are posted in an organized fashion to make it not confusing. Also a great way to see lots of coins and see others grading opinions to hone your skills. I appreciate the content.

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I'll say MS-64.
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Perhaps consider limiting these groups of coins to once every few days? That way, someone posting a single coin won't have their thread "buried".


That is an excellent idea. I must admit that it was the fact that your submissions overwhelmed some daily listings which was what truly bothered me.

My apologies.
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A solid MS-64.
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64, strong double clash with transfer (a favorite of mine)

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Avg. 64. Typical weak strike over the ear from the O mint.
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Final mintmark for the 83-Os. No RPM here.

1883-O-$1-Morgan-Dollar-#23
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS
THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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Looks like the seller didn't transfer the VAM-4 coin. If you were trying to find the variety, it doesn't look like there is any further need. Thanks to those who tried to help.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS
THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com
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Could someone please explain "strong double clash with transfer"?
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In my own, personal words:

On the reverse, there are two die clashes one by the top of the wreath on the right side and the line under the "n" in "In God We Trust". In essence the design of the obverse has been transferred onto the reverse when the dies collided without a coin. By the wreath you can see the back of head from the obverse and by "In" you can see the neckline. The transfer portion refers to the fact that the reverse also transferred onto the obverse sheets you can see a line jutting out sww by the neck.

I'm sure someone will provide the more technical explanation.
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Thanks for the info - learning a lot here.

I'm going to need better eyeglasses to look at my coins this closely :)
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