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Valued Member
Canada
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Just picked this up at an auction. My Charlton 2018 coin guide mentions there are Canadian bills that were printed with missing serial numbers, but no mention specifically of centennial dollars. There are plenty of references out there on the internet to "No serial centennial dollars", but all of them just end up being the common ones that have "1867 1967" in place of a serial number. I've seen a regular series 1954 dollar with no visible serial number on ebay, but that's about the closest thing I have seen to my bill.  
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I would expect the Centennial BV (Book Value) for a no serial # error would be similar to the Modified error BV. Although the Centennial series is a commemorative note, about 100M were issued (approx). The "1867 1967" had an extended run (12M) were hoarded so super common in super high grades. The regular prefixes had 10M runs & then there were a few short prefixes & replacement runs.
I would be extremely cautious with an error of such a circulated $1 note from that era. I have seen several Modified 1954 ONES with the SN removed by bleach. In fact, I have sold 2 (one I believed to be an error, the other a faux "manufactured" error from bleaching). The note you have posted is so circulated that it is very difficult to determine whether it has come across such processing. Interesting, but I hope you didn't pay too much for it.
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Totally agree with above comments, this note had the serials or 1867 1967 applied last in the printing process by a numerator, it could have ran out of ink but you will see indents or this whole sheet was stuck to another and escaped the serial. Most likely it probably had some help just do smell test, this note is highly circulated not sure it is worth it sending to PCGS to certify they apparently have a sniffer machine. Always remember the pressman has some kind of special cleaners to clean all the press eqipment as they change to a new denomination, one has to be careful with missing printing errors, good luck ! and welcome
Edited by john100 01/18/2024 09:09 am
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Valued Member
 Canada
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I photoshopped a legit bill over a scanned image of my bill to compare the area where the serial number (or year dates) should be. If it were bleached, wouldn't there be some damage to the background green elements? I don't see any indentations of where the serial numbers should be but I did read somewhere that the nature of the printing machines they used back then it was totally possible for a sheet of bills to miss the part of the process where the serial numbers are printed on. Not trying to argue... just need more feedback before I potentially commit to getting it graded. 
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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You could find a paper expert who could high magnification the area and give you an expert opinion but this is very costly like 300 to 500 bucks, depending on what you have into this note already. Graded due it being a 1967 note in this grade maybe 600 to 1000, so there is the problem without grading hard to get max value but the real chance of paying for experts and not getting the opinion this note need as an error. Contact CCCS near Montreal see if he would grade it as an error probably most cost effective way or BCS in Kitchener they might certify this
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I am not making any judgements: just giving you some insight (background) on how often we've seen these. I have actually seen them so often at shows (& in dealer's junk boxes) that I pass on them now.
My really bad "faux error" was super obvious & had only minor bits of the imprint missing while the other one had no imprint missing. My faux error smelled off while the other one smelled okay but not that good either as it was pretty circulated. I was later informed by an error expert that the lack of the imprint really isn't a good yardstick to go by (the serials were easy to remove without much damage to the imprint).
Do the smell test & if no chemical smell then maybe get it certified?
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Valued Member
 Canada
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Silly question.... I probably will go ahead and get it certified (BCS) but if it turns out to be altered or counterfeit, do the graders still put it in a plastic holder and add something to the label like "Not Genuine"?
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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The graders will not place in a holder, just return as is, PCGS will return in a body bag most will still charge a fee and shipping I take it you have already contacted BCS, again good luck
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Valued Member
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Good news: BCS is a 15 minute drive from my place Bad news: BCS told me it was not a genuine error before it even landed on the table as I plunked it down. Apparently, it "could" be an error, but the ink used for serial numbers in this error is WATER SOLUABLE, so it is apparently easy as heck to replicate this error. I wonder what government brainiac thought water soluable ink was a good idea on currency. Luckily I didn't put too much into this bill. Thanks to all who responded to my topic for your time and expertise. 
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 United States
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Bummer. 
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Sorry this note did not go your way, but it is a good example of being careful of missing printing or colour errors especially on our poly notes when you see the BOC videos on making our new notes the press prints both sides at once and they fall onto a large pallet, so the ink must be really quick drying and with a single note laser very few poly errors can escape, keep on looking !
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Quote: Bad news: I'm sorry that it turned out this way BUT: thank you for posting your conclusions. It is really helpful for the collector community as a whole to see the process by which you determined whether the note was a legitimate error or a "faux error." Your education re: how people will remove serial numbers will help others avoid the same. It is one of the main reasons I encourage collectors to keep active in the hobby & use the forums!  I hope this incident won't deter your pursuit of collectible banknotes! Most of us go through costly learning curves like yours but we just don't always share them on forums or with each other. Like I wrote earlier, I bought what I thought was a legit error & one that looked dubious from a dealer's junk box. I sold the 2 together as 1 possible error, the other manufactured & was surprised how many bids I got (easily broke even). I have had other costly mistakes which involved buying over graded notes. Feeling burned often made we want to turn away from the hobby but I just chalked it up to rushing/poor judgement & the necessity to learn how to grade more conservatively. I suggest other collectors educate themselves too. What can we take away from these hard lessons? I noticed that your note is labelled: "No Visible Serial Number" not "Missing Serial # Error" Perhaps that (& the level of circulation/or the off coloured tint) should serve as possible clues?
Edited by walk2dwater 01/27/2024 08:39 am
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