I have been selling coins and banknotes on ebay for a very long time, and it's a first for me to get a big red email telling me a listing has been removed as I'm selling a counterfeit.
Someone put the coin in a capsule, but it definitely is not fake and I even provided a photo of my Sigma testing the coin. Is ebay's system run by bad AI, or did some knucklehead actually see my listing and thought 'clearly that's fake!'
It's a coin sourced from an estate sale. Uncirculated, about MS60 in my opinion. Photos below that were used in the listing. 1883o common date Morgan, so it's not the usual fake CC Morgan nonsense you see counterfeiters trying.
I'm going to crack the coin out of its capsule and have another go selling it.
The thing that gets to me about ebay's snap decision is they didn't ask me for more details. They obviously don't know what a Sigma Metalytics is. The boilerplate angry email they sent says the decision is final and that I cannot discuss it with them. Even if a human reviewed the flagged item, I doubt they've ever held a Morgan dollar in their hands.
What's comical is that I will now break it out of the holder and no doubt the coin will become genuine again, in ebay's eyes. Or maybe my account has been flagged and if I relist it I'll get banned. Who knows?
I have seen a lot of obviously fake Morgans on ebay in the past and it seems they've now cracked down and removed all of them, but they're labelling genuine item sellers as scammers as well.
I went through a similar experience-same, we can't discuss it with you, nothing you can say or do...I had 100% positive feedback with 20 years of honest selling and buying and I had just provided them with both my bank account info and passport for their managed payments system. Meanwhile, the amount of fake coins being sold on a daily basis is unbelievable. It really doesn't make sense. I sympathize. Sorry this happened to you.
Okay, I decided to open a chat with ebay Help to understand why the coin was labelled as counterfeit/replica by ebay. It was very interesting to say the least.
After being transferred a couple of times, I ended up chatting with someone who knew about grades, certification, etc, so that was good. Turns out ebay's system is AI powered and flagged my coin as counterfeit/replica because I wrote 'The coin is MS60 in my opinion'. That triggered ebay's AI as the coin is not graded (obviously). I asked Chat whether I could use a term like 'about Uncirculated' and that was fine with them, so I will revise the listing and repost.
Maybe it was the combination of the photo, which kind of looks like a PCGS holder to an AI, but clearly is not, and the declaration that (in my opinion) it's MS60?
It's frustrating to get an email saying 'Hey you're selling counterfeits!' when it's really all down to a word or two in the listing. ebay, fix this.
The flaw in ebay's system is when an item is removed for:
raw coins with numeric grade stated or shown raw coins with value estimates using stock images not showing both sides of the coin raw coins with listing price over $2,500
They send out a message that the coin was removed for being counterfeit, rather than the more correct reason of "a violation of the collectible currency policy".
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Indeed nss-52, if ebay sent a message saying 'Hey, don't specify a numeric grade' then all would be good. I would just amend the listing. But ebay chose to send a message accusing me of selling a forgery, which really riled me up.
Anyway, lesson learned. Keep all descriptions to generic terms and describe the coin as best as possible without using any numbers anywhere.
"Artificial" Intelligence ... as if that is remotely possible ... pre-programmed decisions, limited choices for unseen, yet to happen occurrences ... who can think of everything?...
Not really! I've been writing 'pre-programmed decisions' for well over 30 years. Best analogy is that those represent a static realm operating within defined walls. Only humans can move the goalposts.
AI is architected to be fluid. While it may start with a set of pre-programmed decisions, AI itself is supposed to learn from your interactions, or any other data, and modify (or expand on) the original instructions to make more 'educated' decisions without (or with little) human input.
Quote: who can think of everything
That is EXACTLY what the proponents of AI envision. In its infancy right now but IMHO a dangerous path forward as it grows up.
WANT TO PLAY A GAME should be etched in everyone's mind.
... Humans are imperfect, & as such, human produced "AI" is ultimately inferior. Faster?...maybe ... instinctively intuitive?... nope ... Ultimately, I don't want a basic ON/OFF program making my decisions ... I'd rather have someone driving that car, flying that plane, steering that boat, with as much interest at stake, as arriving safely, as I do ... "AI" survival "instinct" may not coincide with our own ... ...(yup, off topic again...sorry...)
Hi new here Yeah AI even making it hard to advertise coins on face book but there is always more than one way to skin a cat.
I'm also chasing wands for a sigma metal verifier ( origional) as mine did not come with them . Any one here have any faulty sigmas that they have not been returned to factory that have spare wands with it. As I'm chasing the small wand to test 1/10 and 1/20 coins I have been only doing this via the measure mode with success but would like a wand to make this process a little easier. Cheers Aussie bloke
When I purchased my Sigma from the USA in early 2023 I was sent a faulty unit. The company sent me a new unit before asking for the old one to be returned, but they warned me not to mix the probes between the two units as each probe is calibrated to a particular unit.
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Posted 01/18/2024 7:57 pm
raw coins with numeric grade stated or shown
