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Help To Identify This Chinese (?) Coin (Id: Modern Reproduction Of 10th Century Iron Cast Cash)

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 Posted 01/31/2024  12:13 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add DebbieM to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have this coin/token? It is 32.2 grams, 40.7mm diameter, 4.4mm thick.

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Help-To-Identify-This-Chinese-?-Coin-Id:-Modern-Reproduction-Of-10th-Century-Iron-Cast-Cash

Please help to identify this.
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 Posted 01/31/2024  3:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 01/31/2024  8:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are genuine cash coins with the "Tian Ce Fu Bao" legend, but they are (a) very rare, from the anarchistic period of Chinese history known as the "Five Dynasties Ten Kingdoms" period, over a thousand years ago, and (b) are almost always made of iron, not bronze. 1000 year old iron coins are always very rusty and corroded; Here's an example on zeno.ru. Just a few bronze examples of the coin are known; Here's one in the Shanghai Museum collection.

It is extremely unlikely that an exceptionally rare coin would just turn up randomly somewhere outside of China; especially given the Chinese traditional practice of producing amulets and charms replicating old coin designs, it is far more likely that your piece is a modern copy. Your piece shows evidence of casting, as one would expect of any cash coin since they were all cast; however, this evidence is also seen on the high points of the coin, which were traditionally sanded smooth.It is safe to conclude that your coin is, therefore, a charm or amulet, of much more recent manufacture.
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Thank you for your response. The weight of the coin is heavy. How would I tell if it is iron or something else. I haven't checked if it is magnetic. I guess we always hope that something we have had for many, many years is actually the real thing. If they were produced as amulets or charms recently, wouldn't there be more available information on them... just a question in the back of my mind.
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Iron isn't always bad because many coins like these were made of iron as well as brass / bronze / copper / etc.
Not knowing what you really have, what comes to my mind are baskets of look-a-likes in a street vendor's market or tourist gift shop.
Perhaps imitations of rare pieces made of cast brass / bronze / pot metal so as to give one an opportunity to have something similar to what had been made centuries ago.
I don't know with certainty.
I have quite a few fun pieces to look at or use as a paper weight.
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