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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Just a gypsies warning - at least one seller is swamping ebay with fake copper one penny coins at present, and seems to be getting good money for them. I hope none of the members here are being caught out, but if you have recently bought a "bargain" rare date copper penny, take a careful look and return before you run out of time! All are reasonably good copies and have been artificially aged to make them realistic, but there are still glaring errors. A couple of examples to clarify - the circled areas are obvious faults, but there are many others, including the number of teeth in the border:   |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Clever boy on the '43 - had to put some work into that. I have a '59 and it's different. It just sings Chinese at me. What's the going rate for these two?
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Pillar of the Community
 United Kingdom
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I am reposting from another forum, but a fake 1849 in a similar style recently sold at £232. As the seller is buying these in from China for under $10 each, he is Co(i)ning it in!
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Moderator
 United States
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What is the seller's ebay ID? Show your financial support of the Coin Community Family (click here)See my topic on Mexican Numismatic Medals (click here) |
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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ID is buysellcoins - others have tried reporting him to ebay, but the AI bot they now use reports "nothing wrong with the listing"! They have tried messaging him - his only response is to say "stop hassling me"! |
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Forum Dad
United States
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
945 Posts |
He has sold 16 fake pennies since November with prices ranging from low £20s to £340.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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That's crazy. So unfortunate that China has been for the last 35 years (guessing on a time) have been counterfeiting historical US coinage. Just for curiosity's sake how long have the Chinese been doing this? Does anyone have a good estimation? What other countries do counterfeits come from? Edited by chafemasterj
02/04/2024 10:42 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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He's also been selling "gold-clad" 100 pound souvenir tokens bearing the monarch's portrait and the gothic Victoria portrait.
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Australia
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Just for curiosity's sake how long have the Chinese been doing this? Does anyone have a good estimation?
What other countries do counterfeits come from? You could walk the street markets of Hong Kong back in the 1960s and 1970s and buy cheap fake dollars, both Chinese and foreign. Made locally in Hong Kong, or made in mainland China, who could tell? And once mainland China opened up to Western tourists, the fakes were right there in the street markets too. But the breaking out into more general world rarities didn't occur until about 20 years ago. These pictures of Chinese fake coin dies of various rare world coins have been circulating around the coin forums since 2007. Before China, Eastern Europe both before and after the Cold War was a hotbed of counterfeit European coins. And Bulgaria is still the centre of counterfeiting of realistic ancient coins (though low-quality "tourist fakes" can be found throughout the Middle East). A lot of the Bulgarian fakes seem to be entering the US through Canada, hence "Toronto" being the name of a certain class of forgery. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Would a reputable grading house catch these mistakes?
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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They certainly should do, otherwise I would debate the use of "reputable"! A very knowledgeable penny collector has started putting a "fakes" page to help with spotting these: https://headsntails14.wordpress.com...es-replicas/The header gives access to his extremely well researched pages on genuine penny varieties, both copper and bronze. |
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Would a reputable grading house catch these mistakes?
They certainly should do, otherwise I would debate the use of "reputable"!I would disagree with this, to a point. "Reputable" does not mean they never ever sell a fake - some fakes are good enough to evade even the most expert of examiners, and expert examiners can have a bad day now and again and let a lower quality fake slip through. But "reputable" does mean that if they sell a coin and it becomes known (even decades later) that it was a fake, then they refund or exchange 100%, no prevarications or quibbles. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Posted 02/04/2024 05:50 am
