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New Member
Romania
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Image:  a.jpg100.16 KB Image: b.jpg94.03 KB it's counterfeit or not ? this is the question.... Edited by Sap
04/14/2009 03:22 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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To my eyes, the distinction of the portrait's profile against the fields looks a bit weak, as does hair detail for that grade.  But what do the Aussies think?  |
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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G'day, weight ought to be 28.27 grams.
I have a counterfeit one, that is beautifully struck, but it's only 19g, and it's MAGNETIC !
Please let us know how yours measures up ...
Peter in Oz
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Pillar of the Community
Poland
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Edited by DL20K
04/13/2009 4:55 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Does not look real to me. Part of the D is missing on the obverse. The rim has "blobs" of metal on it, and as DL says KG and HP missing. Design is not crisp.
My guess would be counterfeit.
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Moderator
 United States
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I would also say that this is a copy, DL20K pointed out that the designers initials are missing, the details of the portrait are weak and to me the nose and mouth do not look right. Coins of all types are being copied in China and sold as real to unsuspecting buyers. This could be one of those.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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You know what, of all the Chinese fakes I've seen, they all have this unusual, shining, reddish color. If you look at silver, you can see it's pure white with that "silver" color. But as the case with fakes, you can tell just by the color of the metal that it's a knockoff.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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It is definitely real. All the letters and dots line up where they are supposed to. The missing part of the D is the clincher. If you look at enough of these you can see the deterioration of the die by looking at the D. It gradually disappears in the upper corner, the die cracks become more prominent, and the designers initials fade away. My guess, only one die for the entire production of these coins.
Pitty it has been so harshly cleaned.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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I wonder if the other one cited above as a fake is also real then, as it has that same section of D missing.
Sean, what are your thoughts?
Hold on I just checked again and that one is magnetic so it can't be. I assume the fakes were made from copies of an original with the section of "D" missing?
Habbyboo, did you try a magnet on your coin?
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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What an interesting bit of info about the "D"  From the details, I was leaning towards a copy, although the reverse looks better. But, this is one predecimal I don't own. |
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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It looks ok to me but you really need to weigh it.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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If you look at the magnetic one on ebay, which actually looks pretty good, look at the concave area below the King's ear, also around his nose and on his forehead next to his eye, all too deep. As well, on his cheek near his ear, there is a large raised area that shouldn't be there. For some comparison pics, check out my pillar competition. One of these is the prize. And I should edit my reply above, there was more than one die for this issue. Mintage was over one million coins. And another tell tale sign is the dots on either side of 'OF'. They should be diamond shaped. Edited by latman100
04/14/2009 7:03 pm
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New Member
United States
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Looks genuine to me. The spottiness looks like compression artifacts rather than casting pits. The KG is there, albeit rather faint. I never heard of anybody counterfeiting a crown. They'd have been too easy to detect and as a modern counterfeit it would not be worth the trouble. If you were going to make a fake one today, you'd do a 1938 rather than a 1937.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Hi triton, welcome to CCF. It never occurred to me you weren't a member here. I have spent many hours on your website and your expertise will be a true asset here. I hope you like it here and stick around, there are a lot of good people here and the place is very well moderated.
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Valued Member
United States
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I would have to say fake. Looks very similar to a 1937 crown that I picked up off craig's list awhile back. Gave it the magnet test and sure enough I had a whole handful of fakes. I got a few of these including Chinese dollars and tokens but the 1937 India Crown was there. It has a different reverse but had that same color to it. Got to get a working camera here and I'll post the whole lot when I get a chance.
Maine_Jim
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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 to CCF. I'm going on the authentic side. I see no reason for that coin to be copied. There is no rarity associated (IMO). They stuck over a million. If someone was going to all this trouble, they surely would have copied the 1938 model. They only struck 100,000 of them and they are still not worth that much. My Krause has them at $75 for XF. For your comparison here is one of my examples.   |
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