1923-P Peace VAM 2 Doubled Tiara Die Marker Variation

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CentR Valued Member United States 139 Posts	Posted 02/07/2024 11:00 pm I found a potential 1923 VAM 2 based on a photo that looked like a doubled Tiara and was thinking of buying it. I checked die marks vs. PCGS VAM 2 specimens to lock it down and noticed the different PCGS examples had different die marks than each other. Robust characteristic chips, cracks, and scratches were not consistent on 5/6 PCGS VAM 2 examples I checked (see photos). What does that mean? Did the doubling occur on a working hub and was transferred to multiple working dies, is the doubling due to an error that formed during the minting process, or is this due to something irritatingly simple that too many newbies like me feel compelled to waist your time on? Edited by CentR 02/08/2024 12:50 am Report this Post to the Staff

gsp193 Pillar of the Community United States 975 Posts	Posted 02/08/2024 01:02 am @CentR. Peace dollar dies struck somewhere around 500,000 coins per die compared to the Morgan 100 to 200 000 coins per die. Die cracks may not be present on early die states and may appear then grow and as the die deteriorates more may appear. Some of the marks on the above coins look to be incuse into the coin which would be specific to that coin as damage such as a hit. So the major attributions would be the only ones I would worry about and typically are the only ones listed on the VAM. Each VAM is from a particular obverse and reverse Die set. If one is not present then it is a different VAM. Here is some interesting reading on the Peace dollar. Hope this helps! http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.c...ribution_101 http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.c...ws.com/wiki/ VAM Edited by gsp193 02/08/2024 01:05 am Report this Post to the Staff
CentR Valued Member United States 139 Posts	Posted 02/08/2024 3:46 pm You rock GSP! That was so helpful! There are several die marks on the images that are clearly above the surface die issues (chips, scratches, and breaks) that are not progressions of each other and can't be from the same working die set. These clearly distinct die markers on the 5 PCGS reference coins are in totally different locations and have totally different shapes. Since the die marks come from the working die, do you think the doubling occurred upstream of the working dies? Perhaps on the hub that was used to make multiple working dies, or even farther upstream? In case it is helpful, I limited the images to one section of the reference coins so comparisons could be readily made among the 5 examples. There are many additional distinct die marks besides these. Report this Post to the Staff
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