1350-1368 Pedro I [el Cruel] 1 Real [cecas De] Burgos & Sevilla Mints - First Real Denomination

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numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11880 Posts	Posted 02/22/2024 1:06 pm This is purported to be the first Real denominated coin. Acquired one from the Burgos Mint and one from the Sevilla Mint together from a seller located in Burgos. [Numisbur]. Minted well before the completion of the Reconquista driving back the Moors from the Iberian Peninsula in 1492. Thoughts? Thanks! 1. Preciosa y escasa moneda medieval UN REAL ceca de BURGOS muy escasa en esta conservación Acuñada por el Rey Pedro I el Cruel REINO DE CASTILLA (1350-1368) Anverso: DOMINVS MICHI ADIVTOR ET EGO DI - SPICIAM INIMICOS MEOS - (El Señor es mi ayudador y yo desprecio a mis enemigos - Hebreos 13:6) The Lord is my helper and I will smite my enemies - Hebrews 13:6 Reverso: PETRVS REX CASTELLE E LEGIONIS - (Pedro Rey de Castilla y León) Peter King of Castille and Leon - B (ceca de Burgos) - variante con 3 puntos en la P - 3,5 gramos - excelente estado - rara así 2. Preciosa y escasa moneda medieval UN REAL ceca de SEVILLA muy escasa en esta conservación Acuñada por el Rey Pedro I el Cruel REINO DE CASTILLA (1350-1368) Anverso: DOMINVS MICHI ADIVTOR ET EGO DI - SPICIAM INIMICOS MEOS - (El Señor es mi ayudador y yo desprecio a mis enemigos- Hebreos 13:6) - The Lord is my helper and I will smite my enemies - Hebrews 13:6 Reverso: PETRVS REX CASTELLE E LEGIONIS - (Pedro Rey de Castilla y León)- Peter King of Castille and Leon - S (ceca de Sevilla) - 3,45 gramos IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Edited by numismatic student 02/23/2024 10:11 am Report this Post to the Staff

numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11880 Posts	Posted 02/22/2024 1:21 pm I see a lot of these around so not sure how rare they actually are. Many seem to be very round with very even planchets. Some are marked modern reproductions. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Report this Post to the Staff
numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11880 Posts	Posted 02/22/2024 2:29 pm Looking up the English translation of Hebrews 13:6 it seems a little different. Lost in translation? "6 So we say with confidence, "The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid. What can mere mortals do to me?"" IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7933 Posts	Posted 02/22/2024 8:46 pm A beautiful pair of coins! The use of this biblical verse as a motto of the Spanish ruling family would persist at least until Philip II two hundred years later. Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 34393 Posts	Posted 02/22/2024 8:51 pm I agree with @tdz that these are gorgeous. Minimal edge shaving and tons of remaining detail. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11880 Posts	Posted 02/23/2024 10:12 am Thank you for sharing you kind and learned thoughts. The 1538 coins that were first minted in Mexico were still in transition from the Gothic lettering to the Modern, although at the tail end of that transition. Nice to have a clear example of Gothic typeface in a coin. I did read that the transition to modern fonts were occurring even in the 14th century. @Spence, I saw that one of your papers was about a framework for numbers and typefaces in coinage. Interesting and informative. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Edited by numismatic student 02/23/2024 10:19 am Report this Post to the Staff
numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11880 Posts	Posted 03/04/2024 3:17 pm These came faster than I anticipated. Let me know if you have further thoughts. Thanks! Burgos: Sevilla: IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Report this Post to the Staff
jbuck Moderator United States 187582 Posts	Posted 03/04/2024 3:37 pm Very nice! Coin Collector Since 1978 Avatar Old Avatar 7070 Eisenhower Australia Canada World CCF Members on eBay CCF eBay Search Engine Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 34393 Posts	Posted 03/04/2024 4:06 pm The edge of the first coin looks stable, but I'm a little concerned about the tattered edge on the second one. As you may know, sometimes old silver gets crystalized and a little brittle. You don't want to lose any more of this coin to rough handling. Otherwise, these are just superb additions to your collection. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11880 Posts	Posted 03/05/2024 4:42 pm Thanks for the kind comments and the helpful advice! IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7933 Posts	Posted 03/06/2024 08:02 am For Americans who grew up with our P, D, S system of mint marks, the use of S, B, etc. in 14th century Spain may seem normal, but it isn't. In places I collect (Low Countries, Poland, Italy) the mint was usually spelled out in its entirety (MONETA BRUXELLENSIS), or an abbreviation was used, or eventually there was a symbol. For instance, in the Low Countries from about 1500 Antwerp used a hand, Brussels used a cherub's face, Bruges a lily, Dordrecht a rose. Report this Post to the Staff
numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11880 Posts	Posted 03/06/2024 2:58 pm @tdziemia - Thank you for your insightful comments. When we look at our history, we can see that it dates back to two traditions: (1) that of the English-speaking colonial world and (2) that of the Spanish-speaking colonial New World. For the British empire, especially if you go back to medieval times, mintmarks were objects rather than letters, which is not what took hold in the U.S. Examples can be seen here: http://www.psdetecting.com/Mintmarks.html These largely parallel the hallmarks of British precious metalsmiths. If you look at the earliest coins in the New World, these were produced in the Spanish colonies in the Gulf of Mexico and Mexico. At the time, Spanish colonial coinage dominated commerce in the New World as the North American gold and silver deposits were largely undiscovered. It makes sense that mintmarks that represented the first letter of the location where coinage was minted in the Spanish colonies influenced and determined how we mintmark coins since our early days as a nation through today. This is one of the first silver coins minted in the New World (c. 1538) with the 'M' mintmark signifying the Mexico City Mint where it was produced. That happened to be Hernan Cortez's home which is still a landmark in Mexico City today. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Report this Post to the Staff
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