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Help With Information On Counterstamp 1882-H Canadian Cent

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Thanks, Randy .... Dave Bowers, his research and writing on the OIL OF ICE, DR. G.G. WILKINS and WATERFORD WATER CURE c/s's stoked my early interest in this genre. After forty years of pursuing c/s's, I'm continually finding and discovering great pieces.

Another cool aspect of collecting c/s's is that there's a continuous flow of new resources, popping up online. Early newspapers, occupational websites and collector forums are great resources that now yield much info for researchers. None of this existed when I started out, and this computer age has much fueled my interest, as well.

Enjoy the hunt, my friend ....
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Merchant and Privately Countermarked Coins: Advertising on the World's Smallest Billboards by Gregory Brunk (2003-01-01)

Out of print I believe but still available from Amazon although at a high price.


@dar76124 .... The Brunk reference is now available, FREE, online.

https://archive.org/details/2006mer...145/mode/1up
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The Ontario carpenter who died in 1887 is a distinct possibility, but there are others.


I'm going to follow that lead.

At what point is there confirmation of a counterstamp. I know finding the counterstamp on a product is good.

I'm curious to know what is acceptable evidence to get from possibility, to probability, to certainty. I'm still pretty new to this.
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At what point is there confirmation of a counterstamp. I know finding the counterstamp on a product is good.

I'm curious to know what is acceptable evidence to get from possibility, to probability, to certainty. I'm still pretty new to this.


Some thirty years ago, I purchased my first computer from Radio Shack, a Tandy. It gave me the ability to start building a database for my c/s collection which then numbered around 700 pieces. Presently, the collection is four times that amount and growing. As time progressed, I realized that I needed a simple way to highlight pieces that offered the best chance for a positive attribution. I opted for including a numeric "PROOF" field, ranging from 0 to 4, as follows ....

0 - PUZZLER - A c/s with virtually no chance of attribution (e.g. - random numbers or letters)
1 - POTENTIAL - A c/s that has minimal evidence for attribution (e.g. - only a surname)
2 - POSSIBLE - A c/s for which there are two distinct suspects (e.g. - two contemporary individuals with the same name, initials)
3 - PROBABLE - A c/s for which there is a likely attribution (this, given credible circumstantial evidence)
4 - POSITIVE - A c/s that is attributed (this, by virtue of conclusive evidence)

The attribution of c/s's is, in effect, like a court judgment, a conviction, given the weighing of evidence. When assessing c/s's, there's much evidence to be considered or weighed. There's the font size, the inclusion of accompanying stamps (e.g. - town or address, occupation), multiple name stamps, pictorials, style (smith's hallmarks, logo stamps) and name clues (e.g. - uncommon surnames, initials).

I'd humbly suggest that reading my c/s posts and comments on the subject, you can see and study many pieces that are PROBABLE and POSITIVE; this, that you may judge the evidence which differentiates one from the other. Offhand, I'd recommend the recent posting on the UNICORN stamp.

My one criticism of the Brunk and Rulau reference books is that they were too lax about demanding evidence from their many contributors. Also, they rarely distinguished between POSSIBLE, PROBABLE and POSITIVE attributions, what I call my "P-scale."

During my periodic phone conversations with Greg Brunk, he was onboard with my need to differentiate between these levels of attribution. That said, I understood and much appreciated the daunting task that Greg and Russ Rulau undertook in compiling their tremendous books on this and many other subjects!
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Thanks for all that useful information. I really like the P-scale you've come up with.

I went back and read through the thread on the Unicorn stamp and I can see what you mean about credible circumstantial evidence.

Counterstamp collectors need to be History detectives also.
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Counterstamp collectors need to be History detectives also.


That's true, to a point. The principal problem with collecting c/s's, as I see it, is that too many folks depend upon Brunk and Rulau listings being "gospel" whereas there are many erroneous listings. Futhermore, auction/seller attributions can be on shaky ground, too.

A parallel issue is the collector purchase of certified coins. The catchphrase, "Buy the coin, not the slab" implies that the purchaser should learn to grade coins, himself.

When it comes to buying counterstamps, the purchaser needs to know upon what basis a given coin was attributed. The simple fact that a c/s is listed in a book doesn't mean that the attribution is valid. Check the book and see if the author's attribution is grounded upon solid evidence. If evidence is lacking, do the homework, which amounts to personal research, seeking out articles about the c/s, posting on a forum, etc..

Collecting c/s's involves a lot more than plugging holes in an album. It's a demanding and engaging process for a collector. That said, I've found it to be a most rewarding pursuit these past forty years.
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