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1879 S 3RD REV Morgan For Grading

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 Posted 03/02/2024  6:27 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add blackjak to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
My second attempt at visual grading from an inherited collection and I'd appreciate other opinions (apologies for keeping the coin cut off in the case)

Thanks for your thoughts!


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 Posted 03/02/2024  6:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnhenry9009 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd say MS-63 or MS-64. Good photos, it's just the photo for the Obverse is slightly to blurry for me to make a decent guess. Oh and to the CCF
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 Posted 03/02/2024  7:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Once again, terrible pics that do not even show the full images of both sides. Same blurred off-center pics as in your first thread. C'mon
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 Posted 03/02/2024  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@blackjak - ignore the prior poster. Getting good pictures of coins is difficult. Those who have never tried it have no idea. I understand how difficult getting good images of coins is. After thousands of attempts it is still challenging.

The coin looks BU. The label says CH BU 65 but CH Bu is usually 63-64 and 65 is usually GEM BU. I think that this coin misses that mark because of the large mark on the reverse below the eagle, to the right of the arrowheads. It is nevertheless uncirculated. But even if the mark is due to a strike through at the mint I would say that it is not choice BU. Maybe MS62.

If you are able to provide a picture of the full obverse we could provide a better grade determination based on the whole coin.

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@coinfrog - In the almost 8 years that I have been here I have never seen you post a picture that you have taken of a coin. But recently you seem unrelenting in criticizing pictures that others post because they don't suit you. Photographing coins well is extremely challenging, but lately you seem to rant daily about having to grade based on what you consider inferior pictures. Can you please just grade what is in front of you or just not grade the coin if you can't do it from the posted pictures. Your behavior is becoming increasingly offensive.
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 Posted 03/02/2024  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll say MS-63.
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 Posted 03/03/2024  01:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gotta agree with @NS here - lighten up Frog. If you're that interested in "properly" cropped and rotated images, this took me less than a minute. You could help out a brand new member instead of criticizing them. Old timers get used to it, but new people get discouraged and go away. That's not what we want here.

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 Posted 03/03/2024  04:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
blackjak,

Taking pics of coins is not an easy thing for most people.
I recommend you remove coins from holders before taking pics whenever possible. Your coin looks like it is in a snap together holder. Remove the coin and take new photos.You may want to filter your light as well.Are you only looking for a grade or to verify the VAM?
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Coinfrog you tell it like it is man and we love you 99% of the time...except when I disagree haha
blackjack welcome to the forum pop that coin out and try for some better pics the ones posted are too fuzzy for anything but a guess like the frog mentioned.
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That large scrape on the reverse near the arrowheads didn't show up at all on your original pics, and that would probably limit this to a 63 at best. More focused pics that show the whole coin would definitely help.
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Appreciate all the comments and advice. I went ahead and opened the case and took new photos. I'll upload them as a new post to keep things clean.

Thanks everyone!
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Can't grade from these photos.
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if you are using a phone try this it may help

1. if coin is in holder, remove coin from holder if possible
2. turn off flash
3. place coin on flat surface with indirect natural light. maybe a window sill in a cloudy day. Use a black or white background to avoid any reflective color
4. move phone about 3in from coin
5. zoom in using your fingers until the coin comes into focus and fills the cameras view finder. if your phone has a portrait selection use that and then press and hold on the coin in the view finder to AF lock it
6. hold phone steady. if you can't then place something on either side of the coin (like books) at that distance and lay phone between them. this will hold it steady and allow you to zoom and take the photo without any blurring
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