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China 1920 Yuan Shikai Dollar

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 Posted 04/03/2024  10:53 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Nytik to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Several times ago I've purchased a Shikai dollar.
As far as there are many fakes circulating around, especially imitating AU-UNC coindition, I need some opinion about it's authencity.

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 Posted 04/03/2024  12:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numister to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
From the picture with its toning, it looks real to me.
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 Posted 04/03/2024  4:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like some of my many fakes.
The denticles on the obverse are worth a closer look.
Here again we have a case where one most important aspect is not known or presented.
And that is if it silver or not.
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 Posted 04/03/2024  7:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
very nice coin

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As far as there are many fakes circulating around,

I wonder if the Chinese are counterfeiting their own coins too.
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 Posted 04/04/2024  05:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nytik to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all for your opinions.
I've decided to remove toning from the coin.

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 Posted 04/04/2024  06:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One frequent detail about such coins are the denticles that seem to shift in size and shape.
Some parts also seem to vanish going around the rim.
Not sure if an authentic coin would have this, but it frequently does exist on many of my fakes.
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 Posted 04/04/2024  11:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numister to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That toning was beautiful though...
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 Posted 04/04/2024  7:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Surprised that obverse toning dipped off that "cleanly"...
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I wonder if the Chinese are counterfeiting their own coins too.

Well, of course they are. They were mass-faking Chinese coins long before they started mass-faking foreign coins.

It isn't even illegal in China to make fake Republic or Empire coins - those regimes are, after all, still "the enemy" as far as the PRC government is concerned, so an early Republic dollar isn't seen as "theirs"; anything that discredits the economy of the enemy can only be a good thing. It's making fake Communist-era coins that would be likely to see you sent for re-education.
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I have to address the elephant in the room and sorry if I offend anyone by saying this but, that cameo has some serious jowls going on.

Nice coin though! I did appreciate the toning look it had tbh.
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lol 'Jowls' never heard that coin term before, are you some plastic surgeon?
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@Numister, Not at all. I was just shocked at how chubby his cheeks are/were. And I thought I had some. Nope lol.
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What you have here is a year-9 variant with year-9 fine hair on obv and year-3 on rev.

Actually with toning it is much easier to authenticate a coin esp with the coin in AU condition.

By removing the nice toning you have removed 2/3 of the value.
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