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 Posted 04/05/2024  10:57 am  Show Profile   Check Brandmeister's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Brandmeister to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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If I remember correctly, a long time ago ebay used to charge a fee for listing. If the item sold it was refunded.

I can understand why they eliminated that system. Consider trading cards and low priced coins. Nobody is going to pay a listing fee for items that have a high probability of not selling. All the fee would do is cut out the sellers showing their inventory to potential customers.
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 Posted 04/05/2024  11:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good point Dearborn. You're right on that.
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I only want a fee for auctions that never get a bid due to over-priced minimum. Just look at world coins about to close. 95% of them never get a bid. And the same ones keep showing up month after month.

I do have some favorite sellers that I follow. But I would like to find new sellers with reasonable starting bids and shipping. But the way it is now, it takes hours to find a new good seller. Way too many crp auctions to wade through.

As a seller, I have given up on ebay coin auctions. Potential bidders have the same problem as me. Too much crp to find my good stuff in a reasonable amount of time. I do great on antique lure auctions because I already have a huge following but most of my coin auctions have been flops. Only using fixed price for those from now on. Might try selling on MAshops but many of my coins are low priced items so it will depend on their fee schedule.
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 Posted 04/05/2024  12:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ebay still charges listing fees, last I checked, but depending on your status, you may have a number of free listing slots to use each month. There was also a Final Value Fee (FVF) for sold items. I haven't sold much there in years, though.

You can blame the sellers of the junk coins, but I also blame the morons and idiots on TV and on "fake" news sites claiming that there are rare error coins worth tens of thousands of dollars in everyone's pocket change. Most of them are clickbait but people fall for it and suddenly become convinced that their damaged junky common pocket change coins are valuable errors and are going to make them rich. They inevitably end up selling on ebay since it's the most accessible venue for new sellers.

A large group of us within the hobby were working on an alternative numismatic marketplace for collectors and dealers, but progress was stalled when we had to switch hosting providers because the original hosting company's storefronts proved to be terribly inadequate and didn't have the functionality we wanted for inventory management, selling, and trading. It was also a struggle convincing dealers to list their items on our new marketplace because most of them preferred to sell through their own storefronts on their web sites and they didn't want the hassle of managing inventory across multiple venues. So we went back to being a private buy/sell/trade group with paid membership tiers and offer dealers and collectors a way to sell "business-to-business."

I have been buying and selling on ebay since 1997 but I don't buy much of anything there anymore except very cheap raw coins I know I can make good on later; the only other things I might still buy there would be PCGS/NGC coins that are priced very favorably and have a good upside if I need to flip or sell them later, but private trading groups are better sources.
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Can you define overpriced in a mathematical way that can be algorithmically enforced?

Overpriced is subjective. If some dude runs the same subjectively overpriced auction nine times, and the coin sells for the asking price on the ninth attempt, was it overpriced? Coinage seems to be a game of thin supply meeting thin demand. It might take multiple attempts to find a buyer. Maybe after a number of failed auctions, a seller will relist at a reduced price. I would argue that in such situations, a Buy It Now listing is more appropriate, but that's my subjective opinion.
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@Brandmeister - The market sets the price

An auction that sells can't be overpriced, because the price is the winning bid

Are there overpriced BIN's? Yes. A BIN listing can be priced much higher than equivalent coins elsewhere.

Are there overpriced auctions? Not really. Auctions by their very nature cannot be overpriced. Whatever the winning bid is, that sets the price.

Caveat: Don't confuse price and value, because they are not the same thing.
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I have been selling on ebay for almost 25 years, and buying for even longer. And would like to offer a few observations.

Overpriced coins. Google some of the rates of alcohol consumption and you may discover just whom these dealers are fishing for. Of the 10 cities in the US with the highest rates of alcohol consumption, 4 of them are in my home state of Wisconsin.

High shipping rates. Imagine you see a coin and would be willing to spend $20 to get it. Do you care if your winning bid is $4 and the shipping is $16? You might if the coin arrives bent and you return it. At that point you discover you have to pay the return shipping (At a $4 cost to you.) and the dealer only refunds the $4 purchase price. This policy motivates unscrupulous dealers to make their money off the shipping.

Shopping for coins. I'm not a high volume buyer on ebay, however I did purchase 3 silver dollars in the last month. The first was 1901 that is much higher grade than than the hammer price would indicate. The second was a 1904 that was listed as a 1904-O, There is a considerable difference in price, and apparently I was the only one to check the photo of the reverse for the mint mark. The third was a 1922 in nice condition with a significant lamination error that sold for common money.

Bonus tips. Most of the bidding occurs just before the auction closes. Ergo, as a buyer, I like to take a peek between midnight and early morning, on Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's Eve and 4th of July. Knowing this, sellers should be aware of when your listing will end and plan accordingly.
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