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New Member
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Edited by CumbriaCoins
04/21/2024 04:56 am
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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 to the CCF, CumbriaCoins! Your link is faulty. Please post the images here instead of a link. Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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United States
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New Member
 United Kingdom
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Thanks both! That's the link removed and images added.
My main concern with the coin is that it lacks detail in some areas such as the ear and there are some 'blobby' bits where dots merge such as at the top of the crown. The lions on the back also look a bit odd and it also seems quite speckled and scarred.
But like I say, I'm no expert so other opinions would be very welcome!
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A few too many photos. One full coin photo obverse and reverse along with one or two close ups as needed to start with. If we need more pics we will kindly ask for them. John1  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Agree, simple full-size images of both sides are needed. to the CCF! |
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United Kingdom
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Sorry! Attached are the obverse and reverse.   |
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United States
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Nice pics and a very nice-looking coin...I like it  . Whether or not genuine I do not know. John1 |
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Palestine
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It looks completely fine! Very nice coin, I would say comfortably nothing to worry about. even though the color may trick you a little but the details are perfect.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Looks like a medal rather than a coin as it doesn't seem to have a date nor a denomination. Is it usual to not have a date even in the Victorian 19th century? Beautifully detailed engraving.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The obverse toning would make hesitate buying it. Not saying it's a counterfeit, but the pattern/coloring does not seem very natural.
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Bedrock of the Community
United Kingdom
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 with captainmandrake1 about the obverse toning. The hair details also seem just that little bit too perfect for me, but that may be because my own Gothic Crown has been in circulation and the hair is the first part to wear. Link to NGC site: https://www.ngccoin.uk/resources/co...top/world/9/On the other hand the edge lettering looks exactly right, and it's the edge lettering that gives most forgeries away. There is also a thread on CCF here: http://goccf.com/t/146846According to Richard Lobel's Standard Catalogie of English & UK Coins 1066 to Date, the 'V' of Victoria should align approximately with the 'et' on the edge and with 'tur' of tueatur on the reverse. numismatic student - the date is on the reverse in Gothic lettering (but Roman numerals): mdcccxlvii. Edited by NumisRob
04/21/2024 1:06 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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United Kingdom
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Yes the colouring seems more muted than others I've seen which are much shinier, though the pictures make it slightly more matte, possibly due to downscaling their quality to get to the 300kb image limit.
The coin, along with the rest are currently being looked at by a local auctioneer who says they think they're all genuine but is getting some else in to look over them.
Would you recommend me sending the Gothic Crown off to be verified and slabbed?
I was holding off doing so until there was a chance that it was genuine so as not to waste my money but now I'm thinking it might be worth a shot. I'm not coin expert but it looks like NGC would be where to send it to?
Thanks all for your help so far!
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Pillar of the Community
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Get it slabbed !
That will bring the best price .
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United Kingdom
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If it's slabbed and turns out to be genuine, I personally wouldn't go to local auctioneers to sell it. Their reach is quite limited. I'd approach one of the bigger auction houses such as Noonans or Baldwins who specialise in high value coins. They have a far bigger audience, international in fact, than a local auctioneer. That's not to say the others are incapable, but if this is genuine, it will be into 5 figures and it's all about the right tool for the job. Neil Paisley at Baldwins is the man to speak to about it. He may even be able to verify it for you. The same applies for the Cromwell coin. Very sought after. Good luck with it. A great find if bona fide. Edited by Kipster
04/22/2024 02:10 am
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