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2009 District Of Columbia & US Territories Proof Quarter Set With Roller Lines?

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 Posted 05/01/2024  1:54 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add elliottite to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello, just checking one of my recent gets, I notice on these quarters what looks to roller lines? Any wisdom is much appreciated.
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 Posted 05/01/2024  2:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep, those are roller lines. Pretty cool.
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 Posted 05/01/2024  2:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add elliottite to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've never seen that on proofs...is that normal?
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What does the reverse look like?
I don't think they are roller lines it just shows up on the frosting area. Which is the highest part of the coin.

All 3 of the coins show the 'lines' in the same direction with the same orientation in regards to each other.
Roller lines are created when the roll of metal is flattened to the proper thickness before blanking takes place. then the blanks go to the upsetting mill then on to the oven and other processing before they enter the striking chamber - chances are that all 3 will fall in the chamber and line up all exactly the same, THEN all 3 end up in the same set is beyond atomically impossible.
I think this happened during the process of packaging.
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another possibility I just thought of is when the frosting was applied to the dies the lasers were not adjusted properly. In that case they would all show up in the same direction...
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Never seen that on a proof coin before, very strange.
Lasers out of adjustment , certainly could be.
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I do not believe those are roller lines. They are from the lasers used to etch the die for the frosting.
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Here's a couple more shots...
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Would this be considered a error?
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That isa good question, it 'could' be considered an error, albeit a minor one. it certainly is interesting looking - But seeing how it is in a lot of your coin it may be more common than we think.

I'll have to go back and check my set now...
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Would this be considered a error?
I do not believe so. It is a normal part of the process now.
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Just the other day, I posted a 1987-S proof nickel with what I believed to be roller lines. As Dearborn said, it is basically impossible for the planchets to have lined up on all your quarters.

I can't tell from your pictures, are you shooting images through the plastic case? It might be that the optical properties of the plastic are creating the appearance of lines.

Edit: if you zoom in really far, you can see distortion on the blue background that is running in the same direction as the lines on the quarters.
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I can't tell from your pictures, are you shooting images through the plastic case?

Not shooting through the plastic. I opened these up.


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I'll have to go back and check my set now..

You can not see these when you look at the coin straight on. It's when you have light on the side of the coin and they just light up. I'll post a couple of pics to maybe better understand.
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I propose an experiment. Keep the light position the same, the camera position the same, and rotate the case 90 degrees.
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Keep the light position the same, the camera position the same, and rotate the case 90 degrees.


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Ohhhh....is that 90° or 45°?
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