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2016 P Harper's Ferry Quarter: Over-Polished Die?

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 Posted 05/18/2024  09:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add koinpro to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Die Deterioration resulting in the Orange Peel Effect on the reverse.
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 Posted 05/18/2024  10:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Koinpro, conventional Die Deterioration will never produce the bulbous, smoothly-surfaced, detail-free design seen on the reverse face of coins struck during the final stage of this die's deformation.
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2016-P-Harper's-Ferry-Quarter:-Over-Polished-Die?
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Additional support for unusually rapid and severe deformation of the reverse die is found in the tremendous discrepancy between the clarity of the obverse design and the virtually unrecognizable reverse design on this same specimen. It is true that dies can wear at different rates. It is also true that one of two worn dies can be replaced with a fresh die. However, this level of discrepancy is unprecedented in my experience.
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 Posted 05/20/2024  5:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Seeker_101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's on its way for Mike Diamond to have a look at it Will be interesting to see what he has to say.
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I strongly suspect that the quarter discovered by Seeker 101 is indeed an earlier stage in the deformation of this reverse die. My reasoning will appear in the next Collectors' Clearinghouse column.
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 Posted 06/01/2024  09:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The article on the Harpers Ferry quarter discovered by Seeker_101 is now out in the latest online edition of Coin World (6/17/24).
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Congrats on the article Seeker_101!

After reading Mike's article I had some thoughts I would like to share. This particular error is fascinating to me. I hope to someday have an early to late stage series of coins put together to photograph and then edit into a short overlapping video.

On 10/31/21 I posted what I believe to be another earlier version of this error.
http://goccf.com/t/410121&SearchTerms=2016.
After reading the article I think I can make the case that this coin does have the same abnormal wear as this topics coin. First, the gutter surrounding central design features (yellow arrows). Second, the retreating internal margin of the outer ring (red arrows), though in a different location. Third, the orange peel texture, which I highlighted with a macro photo around the date in my original post. While this topics coin does show, in some areas, advanced wear compared to my coin, in other areas in does not. Specifically the internal margin above West Virginia I pointed to doesn't seem to be affected as much as my coin while the tree under "Ferry" has considerably more wear then mine. I would suspect from this that there were at least multiple dies affected by this unusual breakdown in die integrity.


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Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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As you say, since the retreat of the raised ring's internal margin is different in this specimen, it likely comes from a different die. What does the obverse face look like? Is it also an early die state without die markers?
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Is it also an early die state without die markers?


Yes, I believe so. There are some scratches around the top of IGWT.

2016-P-Harper's-Ferry-Quarter:-Over-Polished-Die?
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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Again, we're seeing uneven die wear. Interesting. Maybe a batch of reverse dies were improperly prepared, with one particular die receiving especially faulty treatment.
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