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China 10 Cash, Hupeh - Variant And Dating?

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 Posted 05/30/2024  7:32 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jecz79 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I picked a 10 cash coin from an old collection being broken because it looked nice, with the dragon. But I lack experience with the type. So, asking here.

China-10-Cash,-Hupeh---Variant-And-Dating?

Know it was Hupeh from the auction catalog. This type of coin does not carry a date, only the name of the emperor? Or can it be dated to a year?

Is this variant without the dots on the sides of the mountain of any particular interest? Or as common as the ones with dots?
I found a reference to the type as Y-122.4. But do not know where that reference comes form, the catalog.
It has some dirt from past circulation inside the characters. Know about the current feelings against cleaning coins. But if this is a dirty common one I can clean that without worrying about losing any value.
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 Posted 05/30/2024  8:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not datable to a single year, but rather to the range of 1902 -1905 AD. Here is link to what I think is the correct numista page:

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces5604.html
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 Posted 05/31/2024  09:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jecz79 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks. Undated, the auction description was correct. Mine's size and weight also seem good, 7.16 g with some wear.

I see Y#122.4 there again. But no explanation about where they get that reference from
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Under the dragon is a round pearl with flames on top. Under the pearl is a mountain. For 122.4 Krause says "..small circle under lower part of pearl, without dots on either side of mountain."
Y 122.5 says "...large circle around larger pearl, larger English letters."
122.3 says "Clouds above dragon's head, 2 clouds below pearl instead of 1."
The best way is to compare yours to others to figure out what the differences are. Perhaps ebay or Numistma can show you each one.
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 Posted 06/07/2024  8:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jecz79 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you. I will wait and see what new information about these coins people add to that site Numista. Seems a work in progress. Someone will one day place there the explanation about where that reference Y-122.4 comes from.
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 Posted 06/08/2024  3:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add joewobblie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
jecz79 - I am not sure what you are asking - I thought I answered what describes a Y#122.4.
Do you want to know what Y stands for?
"y" stands for "Yeoman", the publisher of a guide book of world coins.
I believe it was Richard Yoeman and the catalog was called Current Coins of the World. I am sure a few google searches can get the correct info.
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It's a little more complicated. Yes, Y stands for Yeoman.

The Yeoman books are: Modern World Coins (covering 1850 to 1964, most recently published in 2023, the previous version was 2008) and Current Coins of the World (covering 1964 and later, last published 1988).

But Krause adopted Y numbers for many countries. Some have been replaced with KM numbers, but for China only some of the numbers have been replaced.

And for the complication: In many places Krause has added sub-types. For example splitting Y# 1 into Y# 1.1 and Y# 1.2. In those situations you will only see Y# 1 in a Yeoman book -- you need to read a Krause book to understand the difference.

(If you look at Numista you will see Y# connected with Yeoman books. The fact that the numbers actually come from Krause and not Yeoman isn't mentioned.)
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Thank you, that was most informative. It was what I had wanted to know. Who had catalogued and attributed those numbers.
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Ultrasonic cleaning, possibly followed by gentle use of a toothpick, might remove some of the surface impurities without damaging the coin. I would not polish the coin - it would ruin the patina and might leave scratches. I also think it's fine to just leave the coin as it is.
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