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Poll Question
This is the same coin, before and after conservation. It was found metal detecting about a year ago, conserved, and sent off to PCGS for grading. It straight-graded at XF45. I'm involved in a heated debate in a metal detecting forum regarding the conservation of dirt find coins. The other side of the debate is adamant that any conserved coin will always have less value than the untouched - straight out of the dirt - version. My position is that general statement is far removed from the truth. Beyond the obvious fact that active corrosion must be neutralized, I've proposed that value can most certainly be increased. I figured whom better to ask than the dealers and collectors on the CCF. So, ignoring any personal bias towards SLQs (just visualize your bucket lister in its place) and knowing it is a dirt coin that was conserved, which version of this coin holds more value? This poll is not a joke, the other side of the debate has the same set of information and claims the untouched metal detecting version holds more value.   
Edited by DOCC 06/03/2024 7:13 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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Is this a trick question?
Edited by Coinfrog 06/03/2024 7:27 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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I know Frog!!!
I'm so baffled that I figured the only way to settle it is to ask the very people who would be at the forefront of any such decision. I'll happily eat crow if the majority of CCF think the 'dirt version' holds more value.
I swing a metal detector and have a knack for finding dirty old coins. Dirt coin restoration projects - https://www.prodetecting.com/restorationsDirt coin restoration blog - https://www.prodetecting.com/blog/ccawDirt coin dig videos - https://www.youtube.com/@prodetecting
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This has to be a joke, there's only 1 logical answer.
You realize when you know how to think, it empowers you far beyond those who know only what to think.
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I swear FTW, it is not a joke and not a trick question. The debate opponent has the EXACT same layout as I posted above and they flat out claim the pre-conservation coin holds more value.
I swing a metal detector and have a knack for finding dirty old coins. Dirt coin restoration projects - https://www.prodetecting.com/restorationsDirt coin restoration blog - https://www.prodetecting.com/blog/ccawDirt coin dig videos - https://www.youtube.com/@prodetecting
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Bedrock of the Community
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Your debate opponent is apparently some sort of purist nut job peering in at the hobby through a distorted lens. I'd love to talk to him directly.
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Purist nut job is possible but I'm guessing that might require brains. Obviously those seem to be lacking here. Quote: I'd love to talk to him directly. You on Facebook? If so, I'll invite into the convo.
I swing a metal detector and have a knack for finding dirty old coins. Dirt coin restoration projects - https://www.prodetecting.com/restorationsDirt coin restoration blog - https://www.prodetecting.com/blog/ccawDirt coin dig videos - https://www.youtube.com/@prodetecting
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There are some within the archaeological community that believe a coin found in the ground in an archaeological context should be cleaned up to the point where it can properly identified and dated - at which point further cleaning efforts should cease. For ancient coins, especially bronzes, this makes some kind of sense; an ancient bronze coin's patina is several millimetres thick, and the boundary between "surrounding dirt" and "original coin surface" is not obvious at all. Any form of "cleaning" such a coin risks damaging it, and risks replacing "actual original surface" with "artist's reconstruction". Under such conditions, one can see the logic that perhaps it's better for the coin to remain crusty, and either await a future, better restoration technique or to be content with advanced imaging technology to "see" the coin underneath the dirt without having to remove it.
Of course, to an archaeologist, a coin's "value" is completely and utterly non-monetary; it's value lies entirely in the archaeological context, the information the coin can contribute to the archaeological layer it was buried in, not in the amount of money it can be sold for.
All of which is quite moot discussion for an American silver coin that's been sitting in the ground in America for less than 100 years; that dirt's just dirt and archaeologists should by all reason have zero interest in them since they have zero interest in things that are that young. But archaeologists like to argue with metal detectorists, since they really don't like them anyway.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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I voted for the conserved one. Now if it was slabbed and it got a details cleaned designation, then I think it would be valued less. If there were two coins on the bay for the same asking price I would by all means buy the conserved one. John1 
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Quote: Now if it was slabbed and it got a details cleaned designation, then I think it would be valued less. I see your point however I think marketability has to also be taken into consideration. If you threw both versions of the coin up on ebay and the slab had the details grade, I'm inclined to believe the interest/purchase of the details slab would far exceed the dirty coin. EDIT TO ADD: eg - there is no market for the dirty version
Edited by DOCC 06/04/2024 08:00 am
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Quote: I'm inclined to believe the interest/purchase of the details slab would far exceed the dirty coin. I agree John1 
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Quote:...I think marketability has to also be taken into consideration. If you threw both versions of the coin up on ebay and the slab had the details grade, I'm inclined to believe the interest/purchase of the details slab would far exceed the dirty coin.  The Seated Liberty dollar (with Motto) in my 7070 was freed from a "cleaned-detail" slab. I passed up several, much cheaper examples that looked like the pre-conserved quarter above.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Shovel marks on the REV and they did not call it damaged. The scrapes are obviously more easy to see in the as-dug version, just interesting they did not mention them.
Of course I like the looks of the slabbed one better.
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Pillar of the Community
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Not shovel marks Earl, just minor abrasions in the skin. Confident further conservation would have eliminated but ran the risk of a details-cleaned grade if I pursued. Likely from me placing in mylar out in the field and debris causing from the slide-in.
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Excellent restoration. Got my vote.
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Bedrock of the Community
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One of the craziest questions ever posed on this forum.
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