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HI 1972 P Is It A Master Die Doubled Die?

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I have not come across this coin before quite like this. I can not find any MDD info on this. The OBV is not the MDD type IGWT ect. Look under the lower curve of the 2 and let me know. Thanks.
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Hi. OBV and REV pix. Forgive me for not rotating the pix. If I did you would not be able to see it clearly. Thanks. Frank B.
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Looks like a new unlisted DDO.
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Definitely need some clear, close up pics of the obv and rev. That 2 does look interesting to say the least.
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I am not seeing it as a doubled die. Let's wait for more members' input.
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Slight thickening in motto, I think. We'll need much better exposed photos with higher resolution on the devices in particular and if it is a DDO will need field photos as well to confirm whether or not it's a known minor die.
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Here is a link to a recent post where the same question was asked. I did not realize until Tanman explained it a while back but the doubling up inside the curve of the 2 is also part of the doubled master die. LINK http://goccf.com/t/467049
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Someone else just yesterday posted a '72 cent with the same question, but that was a 'S' minted coin with the same appearance. So did the mint use one master die for all the mints? Here it is: http://goccf.com/t/467049
So yes the doubling on the upper curve of the 2 is hub doubling - you need to look at the tail of the 2 for the DDO.
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Hi. Thanks, I will check out the link and try to post some up close pix of IGWT and LIBERTY soon.
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Someone else just yesterday posted a '72 cent with the same question, but that was a 'S' minted coin with the same appearance. So did the mint use one master die for all the mints? Here it is: http://goccf.com/t/467049
So yes the doubling on the upper curve of the 2 is hub doubling - you need to look at the tail of the 2 for the DDO.
That link looks familiar, John.

Your terminology is a little off, "hub doubling" is what you want to find. This is when a working die has doubling created by a working hub striking the working die incorrectly. The doubling we see here comes from the doubled master die, which was used by all the mints, so it can be seen on P, D and S coins. I think sometimes people get this mixed up with a "doubled hub" which is not the same thing as "hub doubling".
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Master die doubling on the OP's coin.


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...The doubling we see here comes from the doubled master die, which was used by all the mints, so it can be seen on P, D and S coins. I think sometimes people get this mixed up with a "doubled hub" which is not the same thing as "hub doubling".

I agree completely.
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Hi, up close pix of IGWT, LIBERTY and full date etc. As you can see the coin is not the typical MDD as shown on Doubleddie.com or like the 1972 S ( link ). May be some Die Deterioration going on IGWT and LIBERTY. I see no doubling in these pix except for the 2 in the date. Tell me what you think. Thanks, Frank B.
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Hi, note the lower inside curve of the upper G in GOD. Tripling ?
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Hi, Thanks. I had a feeling it was a MDD coin but I had to make sure. Thanks, Frank B.
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With the added pics, I'm not sure now. I see no evidence of the doubled master die on LIBERTY and IGWT.
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Hi, That was the point I was trying to make. I can not find a link to show this particular doubling as MDD. Let me know and Thanks, Frank B.
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