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1870 10 Cents Fake Or Not?

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 Posted 06/26/2024  10:47 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add zhuyuecai to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Please check the pics. I believe this is a counterfeit. Just the feeling is not right, but I can't tell. Maybe I am wrong.

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 Posted 06/26/2024  11:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add joewobblie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks good to me - the narrow 0 type. I would say F15 because of the wear on the braid but looks VF otherwise.
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 Posted 06/26/2024  11:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnnysprawl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks legit to me too; F-12.

What are you seeing that makes you think its fake?
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 Posted 06/26/2024  12:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zhuyuecai to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's mainly the inconsistency in the worn-out. The outer rim, the dentils are not worn out much for F grade coin, when the hair and the eye are heavy worn-out.

In the obverse, you can see some greenish stuff; those should be oxidized copper. But for a 925 silver coin, would that be too much?
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 Posted 06/26/2024  12:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zhuyuecai to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
here is one pic from ebay listing. It's also a F grade 10 cents.
The dentils are worn out consistently with the device
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 Posted 06/26/2024  12:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can you give us the weight?
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 Posted 06/26/2024  12:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnnysprawl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have an 1858 20c and it has the same wear pattern (i.e., fairly heavy on the queen, not so heavy on the surrounding lettering and denticles)
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 Posted 06/26/2024  2:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zhuyuecai to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is there an explanation to this kind of worn-out pattern? In my imagination, if the device worn-out heavily, it means the coins are heavily circulated, so the dentils would also have the same level of worn-out. Given that the metal hardness is the same and distributed evenly over the coin's body. Unless the coin is a counterfeit, the worn-out is artificial. Or there is another explanation for this worn-out pattern. Also, the only reliable way of testing metal composition is to use those expensive machines. I don't have the weight since that's a coin currently posted on a website for sale.
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 Posted 06/26/2024  2:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think that it's a fake. The Chinese use actual coin to electronically scan and feed to the die-making process. The Obverse is vastly different from the Reverse wear. For fakes from China, I usually look at Vicky's eye and the bridge of the nose. The wear is too bad on this coin but fakes normally have part of the detail missing at the bridge. I don't like the wear on Vicky, but much less on the lettering.
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 Posted 06/27/2024  09:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zhuyuecai to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, I agreed with @okiecoiner, moreover, the greenish stuff on the reverse side. I believe it's oxidized copper. A 925 silver coin should not has so much this stuff. However, this is a common way to fake old Chinese coins since ancient Chinese coins are usually made of copper.
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Sketchy. Suspect for sure.
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 Posted 06/27/2024  11:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also, the size of the letters in Canada appear smaller than the rest of the coin. This could be due to the pic being taken at a slight angle, but look at the Canada N compared to the others.
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 Posted 06/30/2024  05:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zhuyuecai to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all the replies. I believe we have a conclusion that this is a fake.
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 Posted 07/05/2024  10:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Talonbat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think this coin is perfectly fine based on the pictures. The first thing I go to is bridge of the nose and eye just like okie said but that looks absolutely fine to me. The lettering looks more correct then the single well worn F posted which has several hits. I think this is just a better coin then the overt details express maybe VF to VF30 even with the weak braid. I have seen similar wear patterns in manilla envelopes that are not acid free, or paper folders that are also not acid free, then the obverse would have been the side touching the non acid free paper. The green is also ok as we don't know the life of the coin, could easily be corrosion or pvc. This one would be really easy to confirm in hand and I very much doubt it is a fake but we could be missing something in your pictures, most Chinese fakes are far worse then this, if you can bring it to a major coin show you can get your answer pretty quick.
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 Posted 07/13/2024  12:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zhuyuecai to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks @talonbat for a new theory to explain the inconsistency of the worn-out pattern between the reverse and the obverse side. Maybe I miss sth. here. Why for the envelopes and paper folders that are not acid-free, only one side would touch the paper but not both sides?
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