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Walking Back From 1600 With Dated Coins

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 Posted 05/16/2025  05:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ttkoo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Catch ups for 1335, 1333 and 1332
All are Delhi Sultanate 6 gani billon coins of Muhammad Bin Tughluq
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I will also try this 1342 Juchid pul with a written date.
"Zarb Qarm seven hundred and forty three" (743 AH = 1342) in a number of lines, all within a double square within a large circle / Double-headed stylized eagle within a multiple border. 18mm, 1.18 grams.
Mint of Qarm (?).
Lebedev #50-1; Yanina 51; Zeno 43350.
What say the judges?

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.... and a catch up for 1463 (AH867)
Gujarat Sultanate AE Falus 18mm 9.37g
Nasir al-Din Mahmud I

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I've changed the photo to B&W. It helped to get the date to stand out under a heap of copper corrosion.

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So many catch-ups!

...and so many new gaps, because we had almost nothing posted since we entered the 13th century. But at least the 15th and 14th centuries are filling up more.


Updated gap listing:
1464, 1463, 1462, 1457, 1454, 1446, 1414, 1409, 1408, 1407,
1385, 1384, 1382, 1381, 1367, 1363, (1361?,) 1360, 1356, 1350, 1349, 1348, 1347, 1346, 1345, 1344, (1342?,) 1341, 1340, 1339, 1337, 1336, 1335, 1333, 1332, 1331, 1330, 1328, 1309, (1307?), 1306, 1302, (1301?,) 1300,
1298, 1297, 1296, 1295, 1294, 1293, 1292, 1291, 1290, 1289, 1288, 1287, 1286, 1285, 1284, 1283, and we hadn't taken this train past that so far

(I split them by century for hopefully better readability)


On the 1342/743 coin: AFAICT it's disputed whether this type is supposed to read 743 or 744, and/or whether in fact both dates exist. I can't read Arabic so I'd need to ask you for it anyway.

I couldn't quite figure out what was going on with the 1301/700 coin either.

1307 is a question mark because of the 707 AH coin, whose conversion depends on Gregorian vs. Julian.
I found out recently that Wikidata has dates for AH years and months, and according to those it should convert to 1307, which is why it's another questionable entry.
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A catch up. 1348 ( AH 749)
Mamluk Empire - Hasan I
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Date in writing (49) centre of the RH image

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Excellent coin!

...I actually had to recheck Zeno after that comment, because what I thought was the 49 was actually the mint name (Dimashq; it turns out that for this issue the mint very closely correlates with the date, but there are several exceptions and I didn't find them quickly).

But I rechecked and you're good.
...though I vaguely recall you mentioning that you had some more missing dates to share? Or are you waiting until they come up on How Far Back?

[Also some participation from JohnConduitt would be great! I sadly forgot to invite them when they showed up on the How Far Back thread.]


Updated list of (still-)missing dates:

1464, 1462, 1457, 1454, 1446, 1414, 1409, 1408, 1407,
1385, 1384, 1382, 1381, 1367, 1363, (1361?,) 1360, 1356, 1350, 1349, 1348, 1347, 1346, 1345, 1344, (1342?,) 1341, 1340, 1339, 1337, 1336, 1331, 1330, 1328, 1309, (1307?), 1306, (1301?,) 1300,
1298, 1297, 1296, 1295, 1294, 1293, 1292, 1291, 1290, 1289, 1288, 1287, 1286, 1285, 1284, 1283, 1282, 1281, 1280, 1279, 1278, 1277, 1276, 1275, 1274, 1273, 1272, 1271, 1270, and if I hadn't miscounted we should be on 1269 for today.

...I hadn't realized our coverage of the 13th century was that bad. I knew it was bad...
I think my next entry is about a century past this point, so we wouldn't see it here until September.
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though I vaguely recall you mentioning that you had some more missing dates to share? Or are you waiting until they come up on How Far Back?


No, I THINK that I have shared all catch ups now, however, I do have a few coins purchased which haven't arrived yet, I'll have to check if any of these are catch ups.
My next 1200's coin is 1224, so it will be a bit of a wait.

I'm still chipping away at my OFEY, a long way to go.... don't know if I'll fit it all into my lifetime, to my satisfaction! Still a worthwhile pursuit.
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Looks like I remembered correctly...
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Thanks all, just doing the small stuff. I got lucky with a group of 3 coins, one of which was this one. The other two (743 and 746) are Mamluks as well, but not critical like the 749AH.
...are those the coins that hadn't arrived yet? Or am I misunderstanding something here?

(sorry if it's too prying - I'm just confused)
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...are those the coins that hadn't arrived yet? Or am I misunderstanding something here?


Sorry @J1m, I'm getting the threads mixed up in my head, I think these Lyrica meds I'm taking are muddling my thinking.
I'll wait until they get played in HFBCWG7 soon, before I bring them out in this walk-back.
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A catch up. 1348 ( AH 749) Mamluk Empire - Hasan I
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Ok, here's another catch up as said by me and promptly forgotten

Rev. Inscriptions on two lines with the name of the workshop inside a double square.
Outside each side and beginning with the top segment, the date in all letters; a circle bordering the whole.
Translation:
"Struck on Hamah
In the year seven hundred and forty-six "



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I checked Zeno; looks like this coin squeaks in under the "single-year type with illegible date" exemption. Nice entry!


Updated list of (still-)missing dates:

1464, 1462, 1457, 1454, 1446, 1414, 1409, 1408, 1407,
1385, 1384, 1382, 1381, 1367, 1363, (1361?,) 1360, 1356, 1350, 1349, 1347, 1346, 1345, 1344, (1342?,) 1341, 1340, 1339, 1337, 1336, 1331, 1330, 1328, 1309, (1307?), 1306, (1301?,) 1300,
1298, 1297, 1296, 1295, 1294, 1293, 1292, 1291, 1290, 1289, 1288, 1287, 1286, 1285, 1284, 1283, 1282, 1281, 1280, 1279, 1278, 1277, 1276, 1275, 1274, 1273, 1272, 1271, 1270, 1269, 1268, 1267, and AFAICT we're on 1266 today.

Another two weeks or so until the 1250s Acre dirhams come up - hopefully we can get some consensus on what those dates say!
IIRC Spence had a dated coin from the 1290s...
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