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1962 D LMC OBV Die Subsidence Error ?

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1962 D Die Subsidence Error on WE. I have had this coin for a long time but did not know what to think of it. Die Subsidence Error on OBV or something else?
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Hi, in my post of 1973 D makecents let me know about the REV not being a die clash but classic die distortion in that year / mm. I thought he would like to see this coin. See if it is the same cause or just some kind of die distortion.
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Looks like a die dent. Notice how the rim is pushed back, like my examples.

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Hi, I can see that but would it explain the distortion W E ?
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I would think so, the same way it affected the rim. Here is a nice link from Coop to show some different die dents.

LINK http://goccf.com/t/353014
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Wow, how do you find this link? I am glad you sheared it. I think the die dent could cause the distortion. If it were in a different spot of the coin the dent would appear larger? The W E hides a large portion of the dent but not near the rim. Thanks, Frank.
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There is a pic below that shows you where to search for things on this forum.

As for Die Dents, they can be any shape, size and happen anywhere on a die. Just think about dropping the die on something else that is hard or something dropping on the die. The die will take on this shape and pass it on when the coin is struck.


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Die Dents.. Another new one for me.. Thanks makecents.
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Nice Die Dent.
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Looks like a die dent. Notice how the rim is pushed back, like my examples.

wow good eye Makecents! I didn't see it that way...
now that I look back again, it sure does look like a dent..
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Excellent job spotting that Jon.

One thing my Pareidolia eyes seem to notice in Franks very nice image is in this one I marked up.
The protrusion off the right side of the W looks familiar. Maybe an overlay might help.
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One thing my Pareidolia eyes seem to notice in Franks very nice image is in this one I marked up.
The protrusion off the right side of the W looks familiar. Maybe an overlay might help.

Good eye.

So, this brings up a question I have never asked but have wondered about for some time. When do die clashes end and die dents begin? If you look at many of the Radical MAD Die Clashes, you should wonder the answer to my question. I have thought the same of floating die clashes, even though they have items from the same side of the coin, who's to say it did not happen when changing out an old die for a new one....
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In my mind, a "die clash" should occur when the obverse and reverse dies are in their respective places, in the press but come together without a planchet being in between the two dies. Many of the clashes that are out there, make me wonder if this is how they even occurred. I'm sure there is thought going into this, deciding if the dies were parallel to each other, when making the impression that maybe decides this. I just question many of the so called "clashed dies" as possibly being, a "die dent", instead.
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