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1840 Large Cent (How Would You Grade)

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I stop collecting Large Cents a few years ago, but I found this one in a local coin shop at a very reasonable price and I decided it would upgrade my Large Cent collection. It looks to be XF and maybe AU. How would you grade it?
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AU details, cleaned, obverse damage (gouges/scrapes)

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I'll say high AU details (cleaned, altered surfaces).
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The obverse looks possibly recolored after cleaning.
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I agree
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AU details, cleaned.
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AU detail but has been cleaned and retoned.
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at least AU55 details (cleaned/scratched) retoned. not a bad looking coin though
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The big gouges on the face are more of my concern than the old cleaning, tbh.
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AU details, cleaned, scratches.
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not a bad looking coin though

Agreed. Often it seems we dwell a little too much on the shortcomings and fail to mention the good aspects of a coin. I'd like to have an 1840 this nice!
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Yep cleaned maybe tooled.
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You always start with the highest possible grade and then net it down based on issues, so of course there's going to be a focus on the issues that reduce a coin's grade when discussing it, unless there are no issues in the first place.

Sharpness, Luster, Strike, Surfaces, Wear, Color, Eye Appeal, etc.

I started this out at AU58 and then looked for issues, and ended up somewhere around a net VF30, mostly based on the problematic obverse.
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I started this out at AU58 and then looked for issues, and ended up somewhere around a net VF30, mostly based on the problematic obverse.


i typically fall in line with your assessment of coins. on this one if the coin wasnt cleaned what grade would you have assigned based on wear?

technically you might be right but there is no way a TPG would slab the coin at 30 even if they were netting it down and not detailing the coin. the technical grade of the coin is still the same. meaning imo it would still grade AU regardless of the issues. a numeric assignment would most likely not be assigned but instead a details designation would be applied. AU details (scratched) would most likely be the grade.

that being said, if you are netting the coin to VF30 in relationship to the coins actual value then I can see where you are coming from but thats something you typically would see from CAC.
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AU55 but as mentioned, modified in one or more ways.
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Thanks for all the responses. The pictures of the coin don't present it in the best way. It may have been cleaned at some time, but it really is a nice coin cleaned or not. I am glad I purchased it.
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