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1802 Large Cent (Sheldon 239): Do You See All The Claimed Errors On This Coin?

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This is the 2nd time I've seen this coin up for auction and I don't see any of what they claim really. The last 2 photos are what is claimed to be on the coin.
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 Posted 07/31/2024  7:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, unsure of what you are asking about.
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Coinfrog: the first two pics are of a coin for sale (eBay?). The second two pics are the list of things the seller claims to be errors about the coin.

The list of errors is, of course, as fictitious as a Dan Brown novel. That is, there's a kernel of truth, but mostly complete nonsense.

Truth: the coin clearly does have a major die break on the obverse, which is the distinctive feature of the Sheldon-239 variety. There also appears to be some doubling on the ONE CENT.

Fanciful made-up story: yeah, pretty much everything else.
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 Posted 07/31/2024  10:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Seeker_101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So I'm not blind then They even have a tiktok video to point out some of the errors on the coin. The person pointed out indentations calling them clashes and other things he mentioned and showed I still didn't see. By the way, starting bid on this coin is $15k.
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The die break is cool, the rest is schizo babble. The idea that this die clashed with multiple other classic copper coins (some not even made in the same mint) is not the product of a stable mind.
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 Posted 07/31/2024  11:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cool Die Break. The rest of what the seller is claiming to be errors is a bunch of baloney.
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Is that actually a die break in front of her face? to me it appears like a partial vise job. It looks compressed from the rim to the nose.
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That die break is the only real finding on the coin. S-239 is the "elephant trunk" variety.

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It is, unfortunately, a far too frequent occurrence these days:
- Buy a $10 bargain bin coin.
- Stare at it under high magnification for weeks, until you start seeing arcane patterns and other boojums.
- Become convinced your bargain bin find is an amazing never-before-seen rarity.
- Attempt to sell coin for $10,000.
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It's pretty amazing to me the amount of time the seller has put into creating this fantasy! I mean, he's found features from Fugio cents, Connecticut coppers, early cents, date errors, and even an "all-seeing eye". Worst case of Pareidolia I've ever seen...
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Amazingly, no one had bid on this coin and now is re-listed in their new auction at an even higher starting bid. I messaged them that the states "errors" on the coin couldn't possibly be and he got back to me.

Apparently, he is a major classical coin collector here in CT and had several state experts sign off on the coin. He also said he had a lot of push back from dealers around the state. He also stated that he is in the process of having PCGS grade it to which I said the coin should be graded and attributed for the price. They want him to go to Baltimore to speak to them about the coin. In our conversation, he also mentioned his father knew John Wexler.
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lol to all of that, but especially to:


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In our conversation, he also mentioned his father knew John Wexler.


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