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1857 Flying Eagle With 1856 Obverse After Verdi-Care Soaking

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 Posted 11/18/2024  08:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dang, I'd like to know if this would straight-grade!
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 Posted 11/18/2024  10:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Dang, I'd like to know if this would straight-grade!
It would be nice to know.
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 Posted 11/18/2024  7:36 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would love to know as well .
I will gladly bet the $14 spent to get ANACS
to slab it as straight grade , wouldn't fly .
The original crusty appearance WOULD straight
grade based on current standards .
In my professional opinion Verdicare details the piece .
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 Posted 12/01/2024  09:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can someone post a link to the differences (excluding the dates of course) between 1857 and 1856 obverses for those of us with limited knowledge? (Thanks in advance.)

Very good and lively discussion with great perspectives.

I'm with those that like the "new" look but agree with those that say it would have gotten a straight grade pre-VC and will get a "Details" grade post-VC.

The "cameo" appearance that makes the details stand out is also what points to it not being original. The darker "shadows" around the letters and devices point to the original surface.
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 Posted 12/06/2024  6:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jimbo48 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK...I will do my best to show the differences between the 1856 and 1857 Obverse.

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So the first is the 1857 with 1856 Obverse and the second one is the standard 1857 Obverse. The reason the 1857 has an 1856 Obverse is that some dies were left over from 1856 and so they were imprinted with the 1857 date and used. Prior to 1909 the master dies did not contain a date, so it made it easy to date any good dies with the new date.

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This photo displays the main difference between 1856 and 1857. The 1856 O is more squared and the F is more closed at the top. The O in the 1857 is more like an oval. The F is open at the top.

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I included these two pictures since the right leg of the A in America is thinner for 1856 then 1857. Another attribute that I have noticed is that the AM in America for the 1856 is not connected as opposed to the connected AM for the 1857. Finally, the1856 M has a break at the top of the left side of the M as the vertical leg goes down at an angle.....it is subtle but all of my example have this attribute. The pictures are from Rick Snow's book.
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Nicely done, thanks.
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 Posted 12/07/2024  7:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fantastic job of pointing out the differences.

Thank you so much.
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 Posted 12/07/2024  7:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks indeed for this explanation.
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