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1812 Capped Bust Half Dollar (Large 8?)

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Hi folks, my grandma just gave me her old half-dollar coins, which we thought were worth about $10 each. I was going through them last night and found this one (sorry for the poor quality pics), which from what I read on the web, may indeed be the jackpot of the bunch. Then again, I could just be deluding myself!

1) Is this the 1812 Capped Bust Large 8? It looks like a large 8, not a small 8 to me.

2) It's a little larger than more modern half-dollars, is that right?

3) Do you think that rusty bit on the back can be cleaned? It doesn't look to be part of the coin, but more of on top of it. The wear seems pretty minimal besides that.

4) What should I do next? One site suggested it could gain about 10% per year, so I might hold onto it as an investment. It sure is a beautiful coin.

Any advice would be very much appreciated! Thanks!
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 Posted 05/04/2009  12:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

First of all, do not clean the coin! It is quite possible to irreparably damage the coin in the process. Second of all, larger pics will be needed to properly attribute the coin. If you do indeed have the Large 8 variety(which is quite a valuable coin), that coin will need some professional conservation to remove the rust staining. NCS is the best company to do that, they have conserved the National Numismatic Collection at the Smithsonian so that should give you an idea how well they are regarded.
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, to the community. I'm sure someone here will be able to answer your questions, but your pictures are a little to small and blurry to tell much. If you can take some better pioctures it would help.
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Welcome to Coin Community, plusbryan. It should be noted that the "Large 8" variety which carries so much additional value is the 1812/11 overdate, O-101; most other varieties of this year also have an 8 which is larger than the adjacent numbers.

The actual overdate feature of O-101 can be difficult to see; it's best to aid the attribution by noting a much larger space between the 1 and 2 than the other numbers. Another good identifying feature, and one which makes me certain that your coin is not O-101, is where the M in UNUM locates relative to the A in STATES. With O-101, the right side of the M is directly below the space between the serifs of the A; your coin has the M placed too far right.

It should be a millimeter or so larger than a Kennedy half.

Although I'm not necessarily opposed to the average collector learning safe methods of conserving his coins, the residue on the reverse of this one is probably best left to professionals, so I would agree with biokemist's recommendation that the coin be submitted to NCS if conservation is desired. Note that the cost of this process will rather eat into the potential profit value of the coin, though.
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Sorry for the bad pictures and thanks for the tips friends. I'll take some more with a better camera soon. Too bad about the Large 8, I thought it had to do with the 8 itself. Such a newb.
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Such a newb.


Not for long.

Just because it isn't O-101 doesn't mean it lacks value. The stuff on the reverse is obviously a dealbreaker for value, but it's easily a $100+ coin if it can be safely removed. It looks like something was allowed to sit on it while rusting. Silver doesn't "rust," so it might be a good candidate for NCS conservation.

Here's how it works: You have to be a member of NGC/NCS to submit to them directly; in your case you'd want to find a local dealer who can submit on your behalf. NCS gets the coin and evaluates it. That'll cost you $5. If they don't think they can help, they send it back and that's it.

If they think they can help, you're out another $15 for the service. You can then (optionally) ask them to either encapsulate it themselves, if it is still a "problem" coin which can't be graded by the usual process, or they can submit it to NGC (their co-company), who will encapsulate the coin with a numerical grade. This will cost another $15-20.

My quick guess from the photos is that this is a VF35-XF40 coin. It's worth $125-125 in an NCS "XF Details" slab, and $200-ish in an NGC XF40 slab. With that said, I'm stretching to make conclusions based on such small photos; I do so because the wing and hair details look really good even in these small shots. With better photographs, my opinion might change.
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