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1804 Draped Bust Dime 14 Stars (Not My Coin) PCGS Vs You

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Hello all--I am fascinated by the grades on these high dollar early US coins that are unobtainable to me.

Which grade do you think this deserves?
Are incomplete rims common for high grades in these early dimes? My 1798 dime in a similar grade has better rims on the reverse and worse rims on the obverse. I studied some true view pictures of MS specimens in a bunch of dates in this series, and I saw some wonderful rims and some that are way worse than on this coin here. What are your thoughts on how this compares the average higher end circulated Draped Bust dime of any date?

Thanks!


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AU58. Not convinced that the coin is unc but it is very nice. The 1804 is much rarer than the 1796 as it has a mintage less than a third of the 1796 and this has the 14 star reverse which is the more desirable of the two main varieties. Strike weakness on left side does not detract. Splendid detail, luster and center strike for the date.
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Way over my head, awaiting everyone's replies.
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 Posted 09/06/2024  12:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll guess high AU.
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Signs of circulation on this one. AU-55.
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I'd say EF due to the rim wear, scratch under chin might keep it from going straight.
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Thanks so much for your opinions so far, everyone! For reference, I think the "scratch" emerging from Liberty's chin is actually a die crack. I see it in other examples of the same variety--and there aren't that many out there!
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The lack of denticles and complete rims seems to be pretty common on the early dimes. This particular example with die cracks , clashes and other die defects, I would assume is a later die state, so no surprise on the lack of rims. I would think this falls in the mid to low AU range.

And definitely not the expert here on the minting process back then, but I suppose there could also be strike issues.
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AU58. Very nearly Uncirculated and a gorgeous early dime.
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I would assume it's graded MS. Likely is an AU+ but the strike is exceptional as is the color.
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PCGS called it AU(50)!
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PCGS called it AU(50)!


Wow! That is conservative. Looks like it would be a good buy at 50 money.
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Wonder if it's been net graded for some reason. Certainly looks better than a 50 to me.
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Must agree this looks better than a 50.
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Do any of you think the scratches/marks beneath the left wing on the reverse (between 9 and 10 o'clock) play a role in getting this coin "net graded?" I also think it looks better than a 50...
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Late to the party, I had this one at AU-55.
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