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1914 S St. Gaudens Double Eagle, Opinion With Good Photos ?

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I hope these are good. Took with artificial light and in daytime.

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Not bad IMHO. All coins with luster give me a glare no matter what type of lighting that I use. Nice coin! I like the second photo of the reverse the best. The angle seems to have cut down on the direct glare and gives nice details.
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63+ To my old eyes. Always loved this date! Very nice coin!
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 Posted 02/09/2023  11:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lots of marks. Looks AU-58 to me.
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Slight wear on the upper edge of the wings, and a weak strike and circulation marks on the obverse, I'd say AU-58.
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 Posted 02/09/2023  11:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll say MS-63+.



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the fields appear to be a little too dull and the type and number of small little marks in the fields are telling me the coin was slightly circulated.

i have the obv at AU55 and the reverse at 58
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Thank you. I understand that with photos only this is very subjective.

Looking at the high points with the microscope I seen very few random scratches. It has been pushed over some surfaces. But I will not call that wear, It is not worn down. The very slight metal flow lines from the minting can still be seen even in relief areas.
What it suffers from is the large number of small nicks, contact marks from other coins. Bag marks, is that they are called in english? It does not take much to put a mark on gold.
And looking at the other one I got, I agree that the strike in the obverse is a bit weak. The branch and the hair.

I like it :) May hire one of the auction houses here to send the other coins to a grading service. They know how to do that.
But likely keep this one out of a slab, as my north american big coin, in the collection.
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Hello again. I have been learning how to photograph coins. A long macro lens is very useful. No mode bad focus, no more shade from the camera or phone. Contrasting surface, dark, I think also helps with gold coins.
I still cannot do light properly without artificial lights. But want to make do with the sun.

Wanted to see if this already improves on the photos. This is better than the ones I posted before?

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Click to see bigger. Had to reduced size for the upload, quality of the photo lost a little.

I have been trying to do good photos to be able to compare side by side with those online, of graded coins. Next step will be setting up a table with fixed camera. Then I hope it will be easy to adjust focus once and photograph several coins of the same thickness. And get a white board on the side of the table opposite the window. It should end the problem with the shadow in the far side of the coin. Had some success improvising while photographing a sovereign. But will need to do a table assembly holding it together, to photograph my whole collection.

The online photos in the PCGS site are very good. They must be using a macro lens and copy stand. And using video or photos from it to evaluate the coins?
https://www.PCGS.com/coinfacts/coin.../images/9166

Looking at those photos raised more questions, but some other day.
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Very nice photos. Nothing wrong with using artificial light (1 or 2 light sources) instead of sunlight. Just make sure you adjust the white balance to get the color accurate. You can light the coin more consistently and sometimes show luster better that way. Still looks like an AU-58 to me.
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Better photos. I'm still at AU-58 due to the break in luster on Liberty's chest.
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new photos are much better. I had it at AU58. I'm thinking it might be on the lower end of MS. I think the obv will hold it MS62.
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I'm still holding on to the 63+ I gave it last month.
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I agree with MS63. She could have a bit more luster but, I'm still at 63.

Beautiful coin!
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I am really curious what it would grade for. Even knowing it is not a rare coin. I have a shop here who offer the service of sending it to NGC, but warn me it takes months. Also I wish to compare the more professional photos they make with mine. I can see that the quality of the photo makes much difference when sharing pictures of any coin.


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Very nice photos. Nothing wrong with using artificial light (1 or 2 light sources) instead of sunlight. Just make sure you adjust the white balance to get the color accurate. You can light the coin more consistently and sometimes show luster better that way. Still looks like an AU-58 to me.


Thank you.
A friend taught me the simple trick of placing something white in the field of the photo. Sensors adjust the white balance automatically then. It works! If not it will be a reference to adjust it in image software.

I took this last photo in the shade because with the sun hitting some details were lost, others exaggerated because of reflections. With sunlight hitting a little sideways from the top, it shines too much. I can show how the Liberty like that.

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I must find a middle ground between these photos, with light.

I see traces of wear in the knee and chest but seems minimal. Looking at online images, I think it compares well to this in wear.
https://images.PCGS.com/CoinFacts/3...910_2200.jpg

It is more like this one in wear. But with less big bumps.
https://images.PCGS.com/CoinFacts/3...953_2200.jpg
I like this second less than the first. But it got graded better.

This was the odd thing I noticed, when comparing with photos of the coins online. Some better graded coins look a bit worse to me than some lower graded ones. There is room for luck in the system? Or it changed in the past?
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There is room for luck in the system? Or it changed in the past?
I think the answer to that is "both."
Your latest photo is great. Now if you can eliminate the darkness in the lower half of the coin it would be professional level! I can't grade gold so can't help you there - AU58-MS62 would be my ballpark guess.
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