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Another Oddity, Silver (?) Large Token Or ?

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 Posted 10/13/2024  12:14 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Corbie to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello all,
Here is another oddity that I've not been able to find any clues about. I think it is silver, and is very thin, like a hammered coin. It is quite large, 36mm diameter, but only weighs 3.94g.

The obverse shows a pearled crown with various flowers and leaves but no legend. The reverse is blank. The item is a little less bluish in tone than appears in the photo.

Looking forward to your ideas :)
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 Posted 10/13/2024  9:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@cor, that is an interesting piece that you have there. I also suspect that it isn't a coin; however, I'm not sure what it is. I see the crown and then flowers, but what are the two object to the left and right of the crown. A beet on the left and a cornucopia on the right? Also, any chance of you providing a close-up of the area at about 7 and 8 o'clock? I want to see if that is Arabic. Thx.
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 Posted 10/13/2024  11:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can't really add much to say with certainty, just some observations:
- it's not a coin, nor from any series of token I'm familiar with.
- it doesn't really look silvery - I suspect some other element - perhaps tin, or lead.
- The crown is a rather crudely rendered attempt at depicting the St Edwards Crown of England, which did not exist until it was made for the coronation of Charles II on the restoration of the monarchy in 1661, which sets an earliest possible date for this piece. The shape was also used as "the" heraldic crown in England up until the reign of Victoria, when it was dropped and not taken up again until the reign of Elizabeth II, and this piece does not look modern enough for Elizabeth II. So, my best guess for time period would be 1661-1837.
- Given the crudeness of the crown, and the hand-engraved nature of the piece, it is not an official government issue.
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 Posted 10/14/2024  4:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Corbie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks both.
The bottom part shows crossed branches with leaves, roughly the same on both sides- no lettering or Arabic writing.
The left side has been dented and rubbed but there is a shuttlecock symbol, in contrast to the right side which shows a curled segmented shell or other C-shaped symbol.
Sap I think you may be right about lead- it is quite soft. Not tin.
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 Posted 10/14/2024  5:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jecz79 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It also looks like lead to me. It it were smaller it could have been a seal but that size I make no guess.
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