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1818 Bust Half For Grading/Thoughts

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Finally have this recent pickup in hand. Normally I'd call it a cherry pick but the Overton (115a) is so blatantly obvious that I have a hard time believing the seller missed it.

Definite old cleaning - question as to whether it would straight and what grade you think it hits. If consensus is no on straight I'll likely return.

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Based simply on these pics, I don't think it will straight grade.
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No way it straight grades, but it's a super nice variety and I'd want it anyway.
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I don't see anything that would keep it from straight grading with certainty. The photos are a lot brighter than the seller's photos, so I assume it looks slightly darker in hand. Not arguing about the cleaning, but it appears to be market acceptable in my opinion.

I see some glow around the stars, does it have luster?
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The photos suggest a reflective (e.g. lightly polished) appearance which is at odds with a circulated coin in this grade.
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Yes, slightly reflective, but it's also a circulated VF coin with moderately heavy toning. Not a "polished" look that may end up passing at a TPG. I'm just saying there is more to look at than the reflection of the light on the surface.
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I'll take another set of images in a bit - the ones above are fairly representative of in-hand. I knew it was cleaned but questioned the grade - top side of crack appears XF while bottom barely makes VF. I assume that is something TPGs might account for and net out. Also assume it is a die-related strike issue.
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I'll guess VF, possibly details.
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here is another set of images

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Still don't think it will straight-grade.
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Still like the color and yes there is some light cleaning in the fields. I like it more for the die break and think it's a keeper if you didn't overpay.
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I paid 325 - VG08 straight sold on GC for 870 a week ago. It is an R4+
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I assume you mean this one which has that old crusty look you either love or don't ( I do).

https://www.greatcollections.com/Co...a-PCGS-VG-08

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There is no life left in that coin. It's got zero eye appeal.
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There is no life left in that coin. It's got zero eye appeal.


When the NGC & PCGS combined census has a single 62 and less than 20 circulated - it is a conversation about availability more than eye appeal. I could care less how visually appealing it is - they don't come around often.
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I don't think it straight grades. It's not a horrible looking cleaned coin. It only matters whether you like it but the coin will only appeal to a limited audience.
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