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Hi,
Anyone have any to share?
What year has the most unusual errors?
Marlies
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Unusual errors tend to be one-offs so there is no better year than another.
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I suspect you are mixing up the terms 'errors' and 'varieties'. A variety is created when there is a feature on a specific die that differs from a 'normal' die for that particular coin. Every coin struck with that die will have the feature, so varieties tend to have thousands on examples for each one. The 1955 doubled die obverse cent is a variety, as is the 1970-S small date cent .... and thousands of other varieties that are cataloged on numerous numismatic sites. An error on the other hand is created when a coin enters the coining chamber and some sort of mistake happens. Struck off center, mis-aligned die, flipped over, etc. Errors by their very nature are one-of-a-kind. The coin struck before the error, and the coin struck after the error could and likely will be perfectly normal. So, to your question: Quote:
What year has the most unusual errors? I'm agreeing with Seeker_101 for the reasons I gave above. Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.artEdited by nickelsearcher
02/15/2025 1:05 pm
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==nickelsearcher==
No I meant errors.
Take the 1955 DD one or the 1944 steel. Those are errors and unusual at that. I was just wondering of there were others that fall under that criteria.
Marlies
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The 1955 DD is considered a variety because every coin struck with that die will be the same, meaning there are thousands of them. The 1944 steel penny is a one-off because a steel planchet found its way into the hopper with copper planchets. See the difference?
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==Seeker_101==
Why all this variations in determining errors and varieties? To me an error is the result of something that was a mistake whether manufacturing or not catching at the mint and gets out in circulation.
Seems so much gray areas in this field.
The 1955 penny DD was made "differently" like you say since there are a lot more normal looking ones than not. How in the world does it not be considered an error especially for the fact that it is one of the only-I think-ones where you can really see the double die aspect.
Marlies
Edited by EML Coin Collector
02/15/2025 2:00 pm
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The terms of coin collecting are/have been set in stone for quite some time. It is a good idea to refer to the said terms as they are recognized in this hobby, to avoid any confusion.  |
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It's actually not complicated and works to avoid confusion.
"Errors" refers to mistakes that happen during the manufacturing process. Everything from mis-aligned dies to double strikes and clipped planchets are all mechanical in nature and are the result of some failure in the manufacturing process that produces something other than the desired finished product
"Varieties" refers to the finished product that differs from other examples of the same coin because of a variation in the die. Repunched mint marks, re-engraved dies and doubled dies are all examples. These came out exactly as the die that was used intended the coin to look (insofar as dies an intend anything, mind you), so it's a variety of a coin rather than an error coin.
And yes, unfortunately, Tacc is correct in that these terms tend to be well defined and as such you will cause more confusion and be less precise if you try to use them interchangeably.
You may think you ordered spaghetti, but when that waiter brings you a plate of lasagna you will object, even though both are pasta, tomato sauce and cheese, right? Agreed upon definitions are critical.
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Very apparent that you did not pay attention to the link I left you on your other post or just did not like the answer you got and started another thread.... Go to the different sites I have provided and READ. If you have a question about a particular coin you have found, start a new thread and post some pics. LINK http://goccf.com/t/404178&whichpage=28-makecents-
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Thanks for your input. I start seeing a little bit clearer about the differences. Sure not like other hobbies where things are more obvious.
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==Dearborn== That's the answer to what I was asking! You only really hear about the 1955 one. Those are quite obvious but this: http://goccf.com/t/476586Does not seem to be DD since it seems MD to me. However the stacking appearance is what's making it a DD whereas MD has a shadow effect? Edited by EML Coin Collector
02/15/2025 8:46 pm
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Quote:Those are quite obvious but this: http://goccf.com/t/476586Does not seem to be DD since it seems MD to me. That's a genuine DDO, not Machine Doubling. That's how most of the modern DDO's looks like. They show mostly extra thickness and notching. Sometimes they show spreads. Machine Doubling would normally reduce the size of the devices and would be shelf like in appearance. Errers and Varietys.
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02/15/2025 8:45 pm
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==makecents==
I am reading but something seems to be missing. Too much gray areas in this hobby. Not black and white at all when it comes to DDs.
Best way is to hopefully find a DD and have something to view directly that has been confirmed by the experts. Most of these pictures just don't do justice-especially for the minor ones.
Also with the DD mentioned above how can only a part of a letter/number be affected and gets a big designation of DD? Shouldn't the whole date or word be affected? In the 1955 one the whole date was affected.
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02/15/2025 9:38 pm
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Best way is to hopefully find a DD and have something to view directly that has been confirmed by the experts. That is why I gave you the links, they are the experts and they have pictures. If you look at their pictures and still don't understand, then come here and we should be able to walk you through it. Just give us context as to what you are referring too, your questions have been way to broad so far and cannot give you a definitive answer to what you are asking. -makecents-
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