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Pre-1933 Gold XRF Test Results With Ag ?

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Why You're Seeing Silver in XRF Results
- Trace Element Inclusion: Even though the official alloy is 90% gold and 10% copper, small amounts of silver (typically <0.5%) can appear due to:
- Residual silver in refining processes
- Cross-contamination from equipment or crucibles
- Intentional inclusion to improve workability or color balance
- Historical Mint Practices: U.S. mints in the 19th and early 20th centuries didn't always refine metals to modern purity standards. Silver was often present in native gold sources and wasn't always fully removed.
- XRF Surface Sensitivity: XRF primarily analyzes the surface layer (typically 10-100 microns deep), so if silver is more concentrated near the surface due to diffusion or cleaning residues, it may show up disproportionately.
What Other Researchers Have Found:
- Many collectors and researchers using XRF have reported similar silver traces in genuine coins. For example:
- A 1909-D $5 Indian Head tested by a forum user showed 0.2% Ag — nearly identical to your result.
- Liberty Head $20 coins have been documented with 0.3-0.4% Ag in XRF scans, especially when tested with handheld devices.
- These findings are generally considered normal and within tolerance, especially when weight and dimensions match mint specs.

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Silver was often present in native gold sources and wasn't always fully removed.

I know it's an old thread, but I think that point is a strong one. The Mint probably wasn't going to waste a ton of effort separating out every last bit of silver from adequate quality gold. Veins of gold often occur in the same host rock as silver.

Also worth pointing out: coins changed hands between nations back in the day. Melting foreign gold coins into the alloy for striking U.S. gold coins was probably an accepted practice. Possibly some of those coins were an alloy of gold and silver instead of gold and copper.
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I tested a large handful of raw $20s with a Thermo Scientific Niton XL2 XRF analyzer, both Liberty Heads and Saint Gaudens type. All but 2 Saint Gaudens had recorded 0.2%-0.9% trace silver.
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awesome replies guys! lots of good info :)
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If you look at the mint director's reports, there are two pieces of interesting data.

One is the amounts of gold (and silver) deposited at the mint and assay offices - millions of dollars in foreign gold coin.

The other are assays of foreign coins commonly in "circulation".
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