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ASE Finishes, A Look At The Differences Between All Of Them

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 Posted 03/14/2025  3:56 pm Show Profile   Check Gilly's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add Gilly to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I'd like to just go through all the different finishes the Mint has produced. I'm going through it, with one addition, of the year a specific finish was originally produced:
1986 (bullion)
1986 (Proof)
2006 (Uncirculated)
2006 (Reverse Proof)
2013 (Enhanced Uncirculated)(only year)
2019 (Enhanced Reverse Proof)(only year)
I'll just add to it as I go along here so I'm not trying to post a dozen pictures at once.


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 Posted 03/14/2025  4:04 pm  Show Profile   Check Gilly's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Gilly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is just a 1986 bullion ASE. It's not the best example out there, and for this reason I'll do some comparison with a different one as I go on here. The finish is just what I works call a matte finish on the field and elements, just one even finish with no highlights. The only thing to distinguish it from an Uncirculated is that the date is too old and the lack of a mint mark.

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 Posted 03/14/2025  4:16 pm  Show Profile   Check Gilly's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Gilly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is the first Proof ASE. Probably everyone is familiar enough with this, but thought, well let's start with the basics. Highly mirrored field and frosted elements, anything higher than the field surface is frosted. The frosted appearance isn't totally white, it's almost like the elements have the same surface appearance as the bullion has, it's mainly the field that is the biggest difference, as well as the proof having a mint mark.

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 Posted 03/14/2025  4:31 pm  Show Profile   Check Gilly's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Gilly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In 2006, the first 2 new finishes appeared after 20 years of ASE production.
The Uncirculated continues to today, the other, the Reverse Proof, had appeared sporadically since then.
Here I am just comparing a 2006 bullion (it's a nice example, better than my 1986) with a 2006 Uncirculated. On the obverse, note the Uncirculated is in a large US Mint capsule, the bullion is in a direct fit capsule.
Of course the reverse is easily identified by the mint mark.
The finish is very close to the same. If they were both handed to you out of a capsule, and without the mint mark to help, you'd be very hard pressed to tell one from the other. The Uncirculated has maybe what you'd call a "more even" finish. They are handled better (with more care) than a bullion, so you'd expect it to have a nicer overall appearance, and they left the mint in a capsule, not in a tube with 19 other coins.
But all what being equal, no marks from other coins hitting it, and stored in good conditions, they are really hard to tell apart.

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 Posted 03/14/2025  4:50 pm  Show Profile   Check Gilly's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Gilly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also I'm 2006, the Reverse Proof was introduced as part of the 20th Anniversary set. It was mounted in Philadelphia. At that point Philadelphia has actually been producing the Proof ASE for several years, and doing a good job of it I might add.
The Reverse Proof was exactly as the name implies. Everything matte on the proof was mirrored on the Reverse Proof, and everything mirrored on the Proof was matte on the Reverse Proof. I would say that the matte-finishing of the field on the Reverse Proof is maybe a little "whiter" or maybe "flatter" is a better term, than the matte surfaces of the proof. Maybe that's just because it is done on flat surfaces instead of on the elements.

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 Posted 03/14/2025  5:16 pm  Show Profile   Check Gilly's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Gilly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In 2013, the very unique Enhanced Uncirculated ASE was produced for a 2 coin West Point set. It's the only time they've done this finish on an ASE. They did Enhanced Reverse Proof ASEs, but not Enhanced Uncirculated.
The finish on the fields is quite a bit finer than a typical Uncirculated. Not really close to a mirror finish either. It's very different than proof or normal Uncirculated. I thought they did a very good job selecting what to matte finish and what to frost. One aspect that I find interesting is the sun and rays are matte, the lower area surrounding the date is matte, but the mountains on the horizon are polished, there is no other ASE the separates the finish on the mountains.
The reverse is just as interesting where the shield, ribbon, arrows and olive branches are all polished, everything else is matte or the somewhat different, shinier matte on the field.
That really sort of sums it up, there are actually 3 different finishes in this design, the normal matte and polished finishes as well as a lighter or "glossier" matte finish.
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 Posted 03/14/2025  5:42 pm  Show Profile   Check Gilly's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Gilly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This should be the last set of pictures. In 2019 the mint produced the Enhanced Reverse Proof ASE. I'm sure you ask know they produced these at both West Point and the San Francisco mint, with the S being quite rare and valuable, the W looks the same but that made a lot more of them.
The overall look is a lot like a reverse proof, but they did make some changes. Some of the elements are polished and some are matte. It's an attractive coin for sure. It's a similar effect as the Enhanced Uncirculated where you actually seen to have 3 different finishes, the matte, the polished, and another finish that seems to be in between the two. It's just applied in different areas.
I mentioned the mountain on the EU, on this one the sun and rays are polished, the mountains and area surrounding the date are the matte finish. To my eye the the entire Liberty figure is the "in between" finish, except due the stripes and starts on the flag. The comment I read said that the ERP is the reverse of the EU, and in general I get it, but no there are definite differences when you are alternating between actually 3 different finishes.
They are both really beautifully done.

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 Posted 03/14/2025  8:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mojojojo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nicely done Gilly!
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Excellent work

I would love to know what you are using and the settings you use to get images at this level of quality

I doubt you would consider it but imagine how they would look if you removed them from the capsules
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 Posted 03/15/2025  09:19 am  Show Profile   Check Gilly's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Gilly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Motorola Edge (2022) in Macro mode.

You are correct about removing them from the capsule.
I had a few options. I have some raw bullion that I bought new that aren't in capsules, I could have used one of those.
Then had the idea of using the first year for a particular finish. Only exception I mentioned was switching to the 2006 bullion because it was nicer, for comparing to the 2006 Uncirculated.
There was maybe one or two other "duplicates" I have that maybe I could have opened.
But ultimately it came down to the couple that I wouldn't open. I decided it's best to have them all the same, rather than some out of the capsule and some in.
But yes I did consider it.
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Mine are already moved to Air-Tites

If I can figure out how to photograph them as well as you do I'll do it
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 Posted 03/15/2025  10:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cptbilly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice work, Gilly. This thread should be a useful stopping point for new ASE collectors. . .can't hurt those who've collected them over the years to get a refresher course.
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 Posted 03/15/2025  12:38 pm  Show Profile   Check Gilly's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Gilly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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If I can figure out how to photograph them as well as you do I'll do it

There is a forum about this, not that I've ever really looked at it.
Flash is bad, but you need enough light. It seems like diffused light is better, so sometimes it's a matter of location relative to a window. Electric light doesn't seem to work the best for me, although professionals have different ways of diffusing light, I'm not doing this with any great regularity.
So sometimes it's a matter of finding a good spot. That coffee table in our lower level seems to be my sweet spot, good since window with Venetian blind I can adjust. (Plus I think it's a good background)
Then again I was using macro mode and filling the frame with the coin and waiting for it to adjust focus. Sometimes your have to try a couple times.
One other suggestion is having a good photo compressor, because the file is always 10X too big to post.
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