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1936f 2 Reichspfennig Error

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 Posted 04/13/2025  10:57 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add cdbch to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
First time to post so if this is in the wrong section, moderator please move to appropriate area. Thank you.

This 1936F 2 Reichspfennig has an anomaly connecting the letters and the numbers in the date. There are other issues of this coin that are not normal and I would appreciate any and all comments regarding these apparently odd features. Thanks again for any help or insight.






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 Posted 04/13/2025  12:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm thinking maybe Die Deterioration Doubling?
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I would suspect tooling, and of the coin rather than of the die. Someone has dremelled down the fields, except for the crevices between the letters and other hard to reach places.

The way the ridge is perfectly circular around the wreath, even though the wreath itself is not perfectly circular... that's not natural, or accidental. Someone has deliberately re-carved the coin to look like this.

Given that some features, such as the oak leaves in the wreath, are worn flat and not edited I suspect someone has taken a worn coin and "improved" it by re-engraving some of the missing details, such as the eagle feathers.
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Sap - thank you for your thoughts on this. However, it's hard for me to ascribe to that theory for a few reasons. Maybe I'm wrong in my feelings about that, but I'll give my thoughts regardless...

1- I bought this coin sometime in the 2011-2012 timeframe for only $2.19. Quite a cheap price at the time.

2- Why would someone take the time to do as you suggested and then sell it for such little money? It would certainly take a very talented person not only time, but considerate ability to do so in such a fashion.

3- It must have been quite the Dremel used by a prolific user to do all that and not leave any discerning marks of having been done so in the fashion you described. The coin's body surfaces are smooth apart from the anomalies seen in the photos.

Maybe you're right...maybe not. Have you seen this before on any other coin? Is this something that comes up in the numismatic field of fakery? Although I'm no expert by any means, I suppose it could have happened, but I find it just a little more in probability that it did not.

However, I thank you for your assessment and for taking time to give me an answer. Hopefully the pictures will invoke others to give differing opinions.
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Thank you jbuck. Looking forward to learning more from this wonderful site.
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Maybe you're right...maybe not. Have you seen this before on any other coin? Is this something that comes up in the numismatic field of fakery?

The kind of tooling as I'm suggesting here is quite commonly seen on ancient coins, where it's a lot easier to get away with it since ancient coins are a lot more rougher and "hand-crafted" to begin with. It isn't anywhere near as common on modern machine-struck coinage.

I'll happily admit I have no idea why anyone would go to the trouble to do that to a (relatively) common coin, other than perhaps someone hoping to make big bucks selling it as a high-grade coin.Perhaps they were practicing their art on a cheap coin before having a go at "improving" a more valuable target. And just because you bought it cheaply, does not mean its previous owner had also bought it cheaply; perhaps they had been suckered into paying a high price.

It may seem improbable, but any kind of "mint error" hypothesis is even less probable: raised lumps on a coin mean missing bits from the die, so someone in the Stuttgart mint in 1936 hacked away at a worn die, perhaps in an attempt to try to recreate details. It would be far easier for that mint worker to simply throw the worn die away and get a new one made from the master hub.

There are two other options not yet considered:

- It's a counterfeit coin, in which case, all bets are off as far as die quality is concerned. This does link back to the "why bother" question, though.

- Some kind of glue or varnish is stuck on the coin, and has mostly been removed except from those hard to reach spots. This is surprisingly likely, as clear glue, lacquer or varnish sitting on metal can easily fool us into thinking it's solid metal there. Giving the coin a swish in acetone ought to rule out this option.
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