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ICG 1896 MS-64 Pl? What Would You Grade It.

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Trying to decide if I might want to see if it has a shot to cross over to PCGS keeping the PL designation. One friend says its probably not PL. Both sides will reflect text really well. I collect proof like morgans and this is a year/mint I do not have yet. The ICG holders are really bad at showcasing mirrors on coins. Does an ICG holder even have any merit or is it just a raw coin at this point.

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 Posted 04/27/2025  1:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coin rejector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS64 seems to be accurate but based on pics.... I'm not convinced PL would crossover. What's the price on the slab?
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What's the price on the slab?


I paid $75 a while back. Getting a submission ready with a few friends and this one I'm on the fence about.
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Here's the way I see it, you can purchase an MS64 PL on ebay for https://www.ebay.com/itm/2765914648...er+dollar+PL . Depending on cost of crossover, the possibility of it not coming back PL, the time you'll have to wait.... throwing $300 at an already graded example would be my ideal scenario, but that's just me. I'm curious to hear others thoughts.
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ICG is one of only four graders recognized by ebay
so they are not considered a basement slabber.
The reflection from the box is from the plastic holder
so that doesn't really show anything.
Request with PCGS that you want the coin to be graded
the same. If it will not crossover the same, they will return
it in its original holder but still charge you.
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If it will not crossover the same, they will return
it in its original holder but still charge you.


I feel like this is the best option. It would be part of a larger submission between me a 3 other friends.


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Depending on cost of crossover, the possibility of it not coming back PL, the time you'll have to wait.


You're not kidding. It could take 6 months hahaha. The PCGS price on a MS64PL is $250 so I would have to figure out what they would charge.
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You can always negotiate on the price or could try to get a deal on an online auction.
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If the condition for PL is polished reflective fields that one is not PL. Those correspond to the first coins struck with a new die. When the topmost portion of the dies are still perfect. Or with a re-polished die.

Yours has the nice frosty look in the raised portions of the coin design. But the fields are also a little frosty already. Probably not struck with new dies.
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It is impossible to tell reflectivity from pictures. That said, it does not seem like the reverse is PL
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Others have addressed the designation, but I'm hesitating a bit on the grade itself crossing over. IMHO, the obverse is on the 63/64 bubble. The reverse is 64, but I wouldn't want to take the risk if it was my coin.

If you sold the coin in the current ICG slab, a buyer might see this as a possible crossover. Let the buyer take that risk. If you take it and it does cross over, will you gain enough value to offset the cost? If not, you don't have any upside and lots of downside by trying to cross it over.
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64 looks right. Not sure on PL. As a quick test put the coin under light and shift the angle a bit. If it shows a lot of cartwheel then that side is probably NOT PL. If it's mirrors not cartwheel then good chance it's PL.
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PCGS is strict on the mirrors reflectivity for the PL designation, so unless the coin is a slam dunk for PL and grade it most likely will not cross. You are only into the coin for $75 and there is some upside to cover grading fees and a little profit if it does cross. Based on your top two photos there is an outside chance that it could cross at grade and PL designation. The next three photos, I would say there is no chance it will cross.
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