Goodacre Presentation Sacagawea?

Hey Bryan, I agree with what you have said. I'm still waiting for an answer from David Hall about PCGS dipping coins and then slabbing them for selected clients. I'd love to see an answer to this question as well! Mike

What you all have said is absolutely true and has been for quite some time. In fact, this has been going on so long that it amazes me that anyone is surprised when it happens to them.
As for David Hall answering to the charge, I rather doubt if you ever get a answer to your question. Either that or else he will say it's not cleaning, but only conserving. Which is another way of saying if they do it it's all right and don't count.(unless as you have found out you crack one out and send to someone else to slab.)

Although I do not agree with this, they are probably looking at the coins as still being "Mint State" as the polishing happened at the Mint. No, I don't think this should make a difference, but this way they can make the money on slabbing them with the pedigree.

its still polishing after the coin was minted no matter who did the polishing it be the mint or old man John Doe 150 years ago which I thought was a automatic body bag and especially on a modern coin. And heck if ICG wouldnt grade it for this reason arent they saying to the public that our standards are lower then ICG's for coins from high end customers. I mean everyone that has ever read up on them knows they were polished and ICG wouldnt grade them for that reason so what does it say about PCGS when you see the collection graded by PCGS? I have a couple 1918 walking liberty's (that are very dear to me because it was the year my Grandmother was born and it reminds me of her whenever I see it) that have very clearley been put on a buffing wheel sometime in their life, although these things are shiny (about like the Goodacre collection) and very pretty I would never send them to be graded just because I know they would be body bagged before they took them out of the 2x2 I sent them in


Update: I just read the coins were also treated with a antioxidant to preserve their appearance which is another automatic body bag for a normal person

I still disagree that they should be graded, I dont see anything wrong with what ICG did and authenticate that they were from that batch of coins but not give it a grade because of the fact that they wouldnt give any other set of coins a grade that have been through the same treatment after the coins were minted.


Anyway this is just my opinion on it, and really shows the double standard that PCGS has with their customers again in my opinion only

http://www.pcgs.com/articles/article2995.chtml

In recent days the first five examples submitted to PCGS were certified. The coins are designated by PCGS as Mint State, not as Proof or Specimen strikes. Each holder does carry the notation and pedigree that the coin inside is a "Goodacre Presentation" coin.

A mild controversy is swirling around the grading of the coins, with some detractors arguing that PCGS is certifying "whizzed" coins. "Whizzed" is a numismatic term from the 1960s (or earlier) referring to coins that have been abrasively cleaned to alter their appearance. The important differences between whizzing, which was done by unscrupulous individuals outside the Mint in an attempt to fool and rip off collectors, and the Goodacre dollars' burnishing, are twofold. One is intent, and the differences are the antithesis of each other. The second is the source, as the Goodacre dollars were Mint made as a way to designate the coins as different and to honor the designer.

"They are Mint products exactly the way they left the Mint," said PCGS president Richard S. Montgomery. "They are also important numismatic items and significant historical artifacts. There is no valid reason why they should not be graded."