Opinions On This 1851 Cent - Die Clashes?

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cipster Pillar of the Community United States 2327 Posts	Posted 05/07/2025 8:04 pm I saw this listing on ebay and followed it because of the reverse picture. Maybe a die clash, but what was clashing? The seller is quite reputable and honest. I just received the coin and love it. Yea, I already have many 1851 large cents, but this one is special. I'm looking for some opinions about the coin. First what do you see as the variety and the reason for the diagonal lines? I have a couple of possible answers.in mind and will wait for your opinions. More important, what are the diagonal lines on the reverse across "ONE". I've done some research but will be interested in what the Community sees. Thanks Member ANA and EAC "You got to lose to know how to win". Dream On by Aerosmith Report this Post to the Staff

Errers and Varietys Bedrock of the Community United States 58360 Posts	Posted 05/07/2025 9:46 pm Die polishing lines on the reverse? Zurie, thank you for the information! I learned something new today. Errers and Varietys. Edited by Errers and Varietys 05/07/2025 10:08 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Zurie Pillar of the Community United States 5291 Posts	Posted 05/07/2025 10:01 pm It's an N-19 with characteristic die flow lines on the reverse. Nice example! Report this Post to the Staff
Errers and Varietys Bedrock of the Community United States 58360 Posts	Posted 05/07/2025 10:07 pm Here's the link to the 1851 Large Cent Newcomb 19 on PCGS to those who are interested. https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin...19-bn/406704 Errers and Varietys. Report this Post to the Staff
Marve65 Pillar of the Community United States 5505 Posts	Posted 05/08/2025 12:54 am Quote: die flow lines on the reverse. What are "Die flow lines" . Is that like " Die Deterioration" - the metal flow cuts grooves into the die? What throws me off is they are not radial - when struck, the metal flows from the center of the coin outwards towards the rim. The lines on the OP's coin do no not flow radially so I'm wondering. All the 19's seem to have the exact same thick lines....... Edited by Marve65 05/08/2025 01:13 am Report this Post to the Staff
Zurie Pillar of the Community United States 5291 Posts	Posted 05/08/2025 08:33 am The die flow lines have been described as die adjustment markings formed when calibrating die striking pressure (as opposed to planchet weight adjustment marks). They appear to be permanently on the reverse die for that particular variety (N-19). They remind me of the parallel lines on the obverse of the 1804 Half Cent spiked head varieties—I was never sure how or why those were created either. . . Report this Post to the Staff
Brandmeister Pillar of the Community United States 4540 Posts	Posted 05/08/2025 09:44 am I had also never heard of die flow lines being parallel like that. To me, they look like file scrapes from removing a problem area on the die surface. How could the scratches through the O be at like a 30 degree angle to each other and sharply defined if they formed from flow lines? Report this Post to the Staff
cipster Pillar of the Community United States 2327 Posts	Posted 05/08/2025 5:47 pm Thanks for the replies and the expert opinions. I thought it was either an N-1 or an N-19 because they had similar DRN# but Zurie's post made me look more carefully because the 4th digit is the distance from the tip of the curl to the date and I agree that it's an N-19. The source of the lines on the back are still a mystery to me and appear to be part of the die. At first I thought it was a clash with Liberty's head but that didn't work out. so I learned more about die flow lines. I didn't expect them to be straight and sometimes parallel.. Member ANA and EAC "You got to lose to know how to win". Dream On by Aerosmith Report this Post to the Staff
Marve65 Pillar of the Community United States 5505 Posts	Posted 05/08/2025 5:58 pm Quote: I learned more about die flow lines. I didn't expect them to be straight and sometimes parallel.. That's because those are not true "Die flow lines" in a sense from forming by actual die wear. Whatever they are, they seem to be on/in the reverse die from the start. https://www.error-ref.com/radial-fl...etal%20flow. Report this Post to the Staff
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