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Is there any logical reason copper coins within mint, uncirculated rolls should be filled with carbon spots? Is there an "acceptable" amount one should expect? Or have I been ripped off?
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 to CCF. Out of one roll, how many have the spots? A reference of the percentage would help us answer that question. Also how about an image or 2 to gauge how bad they are?
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The Mint itself doesn't roll coins; someone else does. Sometimes, that's done by hand rather than by machine. If the person doing the rolling sneezes, coughs or even just talks while they're doing it, you're likely to get carbon spots on the coins.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Bedrock of the Community
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Photos of unopened (if available) and one or two example coins would be very useful. Thanks.
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United States
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The Mint itself doesn't roll coins; someone else does. Sometimes, that's done by hand rather than by machine. If the person doing the rolling sneezes, coughs or even just talks while they're doing it, you're likely to get carbon spots on the coins. 
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@Mystic Wolf - - I certainly would not expect a uncirculated roll to be "filled with carbon spots". As mentioned above, pictures of these coins would help. I suspect something happened to theses coins before they were rolled and sold as 'mint'. Ps. What year were these copper coins? Edited by Sharks
05/13/2025 2:52 pm
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Sorry for the delay. I'm embarrassed to admit that taking clear photos, reducing their sizes, making sure they're still visible, & uploading them here is quite the time consuming process. Hopefully that was 1½ hours well spent, and you're able to see what I'm talking about. The gist of it is, when the 8 rolls I ordered arrived yesterday, I was worried about the water & carbon spots visible on each of the enders, but hoped they weren't indicative of the rolls' contents. I removed the first 3 coins of each roll & found carbon spots on all of them, as well as on the 4th unremoved coin (visible in the 2nd photo). So I stopped, thinking I might need to return them, & started researching the causes. Please let me know if you need additional photos of the coins. I tried including 2 photos showing all 24 coins simultaneously (obverse & reverse), but every time the file size was reduced they became unidentifiable. This was my first time buying coin rolls from a private party/dealer, so I don't actually know: is this normal & to be expected? Or should I ask for a refund or replacement? Thank you VERY much for helping me with this!     |
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Just saw your question, Sharks (how do I reply directly to or quote someone?):
They're from 2009
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@Mystic Wolf: Quote:
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For the last 20-ish years, the Denver Mint has bagged cents in ballistic coin bags that are filled by weight, and have around 400,000 cents in each bag. The Ballistic Bags are designed to protect the coins, but nothing that happens after the bags are opened protect the coins. These bags are transported to Federal Reserve Banks, and sold to armored car companies. Loomis and Garda are two of the largest armored carriers, but there are hundreds of them nationally. The armored carriers roll the coins and sell them to banks in 50-roll boxes. Your coin rolls likely have the name of the armored carrier that rolled the coins. Once the armored carrier buys the coins and opens the Ballistic Bags, all bets are off. Remember, these are mass produced metal objects intended to be used in circulation, and aren't treated as numismatic value items. They can be exposed to almost anything - water, humidity, dirt, etc. - while being processed, rolled, boxed, transported, stored in bank vaults, or after sale to business customers or bank customers. Many years ago, the Denver Mint had a walk-up window where ordinary people could buy bags of coins. As a kid, I helped my dad by carrying the bags of coins he bought for our family hardware store. We did it as an advertising gimmick, trying to be one of the first places in town to have the new year's coins. We may have been the first Denver business to get the Kennedy half dollars in 1964. We beat the banks by a couple days. The walk-up window disappeared long ago. Edited by fortcollins
05/13/2025 4:17 pm
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Those do not look so good. I suspect they may have been improperly stored—high humidity and unstable temperature.  |
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fortcollins (above) nails it...
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Hope that helps. Big time, thank you!!!
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Quote:Once the armored carrier buys the coins and opens the Ballistic Bags, all bets are off. I suspected this might be the case, so figured I'd better verify my "hunch" before inadvertently accusing the seller of something they had no control over. Would you consider this a refund-worthy or "Buyer beware" situation? Also, thank you very much for your fantastic explanation. This is definitely a field in which the more I learn, the less I know, so I deeply appreciate every morsel of knowledge you all are willing to share. &🙏;;#127996;#10084;#65039;
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I suspect they may have been improperly stored—high humidity and unstable temperature. My research indicated the exact same thing, but after reading fortcollins' explanation, I'm conflicted. Esp since they weren't exactly cheap...&  If you were the recipient, would you request a refund?
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would you request a refund It may be hard to prove that those are rolls that he sent you, if he knew the cents were spotted, then he is probably the type of seller who would say you switched rolls. If you bought them of off ebay, then you might be able to get a refund as they usually lay side with the buyer.
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05/13/2025 6:46 pm
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