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Canadian Key Date & Semi-Key Date

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 Posted 05/27/2009  11:57 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Doug Kautz to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi I'm looking for a list of Canadian Key-Date and Semi-Key Date coins. I know that some of this is subjective. Dealers only want to talk about the ones they have in stock. I've tried contacting Whitman Publishing and Charlton Press with no response. Trajan Publishing (Canadian Coin News) says they are not aware of any list. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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 Posted 05/27/2009  12:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hhbkiddo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
easy...

get a Canadian Coin News and make the list yourself.
just check which one cost a lot..
or use the Charlton 2009 and make youir own list based on actual mintage..
or buy ICCS population report.,. its all there for you to put together yourself...
if you make your own list you are not infringing on any copyright..
easy to do..
Also, it honestly is all here,starting with cents, ending with everything...:
I know Jo at J@M does not mind to have a link to his site here.
what you do with it when you read it or after, is your business.

https://www.jandm.com/script/getite...CID=3&PID=76

HHB

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 Posted 05/27/2009  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add glenzy1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello Doug, nice to have you on with us! Rule of thumb I follow is that every Canadian coin (1 cent-50 cent) between the years 1858 to 1936 is a KEY DATE.

Enjoy!...................Glenn
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05/27/2009 2:13 pm
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 Posted 05/27/2009  3:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chasinva69 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
well, as is the case with U.S. coins, each series has its key and semi-key dates and they are different from series to series.

With the five cent pieces, which I collect, I'm finding the 1884 and 1889 to be very tough dates. The 1925 aand 1926 far 6 are pretty tough to find also, and the 1921, well forget it - that one's impossible.

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05/27/2009 3:52 pm
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 Posted 05/27/2009  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FreezerBurn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome, Doug, have you looked at the PCGS Set Registry pages? They weight coins based on mintage among other criteria. The higher the weighting number the more likely the coin is to be a key or rarity. Here is a link to the Circulation Strike Cents 1858 to date: http://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/Set...n.aspx?c=383
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 Posted 05/27/2009  8:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1cent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As was already said, doing your own research is not only the best way to find out, but you'll learn the most about what is over- and under-valued. Off of the top of my head, some dates that tend to have keys are: 1875, 1884, 1889, 1915, 1921, 1925, 1948.
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 Posted 05/30/2009  11:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doug Kautz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To those who responded to my question, thank you for the info. As a newbie I don't have access to the forum email system so can't thank you individually or ask you individual questions. I already have a list based on mintage and price with info from the Charlton Coin Catalog and Canadian Coin News. I wanted to compare my list to someone else's list or have them comment on mine. One big question I have is if a coin is expensive in higher grades is it still a key date in the lower grades where the coin is "more readily" available?
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 Posted 05/30/2009  4:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hawk1969 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I feel the 1898 5 cent silver is very undervalued. It's really even talk about as a semi key even though the mintage is just a little more than 580,000.
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 Posted 05/30/2009  4:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hhbkiddo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, a key date is always a key date. it is usually based on a small(er) mintage.
HHB
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 Posted 05/30/2009  4:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hhbkiddo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello Hawk,
MOST, if not all Canadian coins from 1858 to 1956 are greatly undervalued, especially the gold coins including Ottawa sovereigns
HHB
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 Posted 05/30/2009  5:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add glenzy1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Even a high mintage common coin can be "made" to be a KEY date simply by buying the highest grade known. All Canadian small cent collectors own a 1933, red in an MS-64, easy to get and tons around, however, the 1933 small cent is not even considered to be a "semi-key" date because of it's whopping mintage of 12 million.
But when you take this a notch further and acquire an MS-65, I.C.C.S., 1933 small cent, now you have one of the best known. Even though there are 58 others known to be in existance, it will still command a premium price. This makes the coin a KEY GRADE instead of a KEY DATE.
However, when dealing with a 1923 Canada small cent with an almost non-existance mintage of a paltry 1 million, any example would be a KEY DATE, let alone a Mintstate one! I'm still hunting for mine, got one for sale, by any chance? (I.C.C.S., MS-62 , R/B)
p.s.: don't believe what Hellmut (HHB)tells you about gold Sovereigns, nobody collects'em but Hellmut!.......................LOL

Glenn Pinto
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 Posted 05/30/2009  6:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doug Kautz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Glenzy1 - good point Key Grade, have to give that some more thought but I see what you mean. Sorry no 1923 for sale. I sell very little as when I upgrade one of mine, the one it replaces ends up in one of my two sons sets. Gold Sovereigns, I collect only because they are gold and I like anything gold.
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 Posted 05/30/2009  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doug Kautz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hawk1969 - this is what I mean about the whole topic being subjective. Often when someone wants to sell it becomes a Key Date but when they want to buy the story changes. That's why I want to set my own list and stick by it. I'll only change it for good reasons, Thanks for the comments.
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 Posted 05/30/2009  10:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hhbkiddo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Glenn, you gave away my secret...just want to make a market for them...lolololo
have you know a 1908C was recently sold for $ 10,000, yes a Sovereign 1908C..
and another 1913c for 4500.....baaaaaaaaaaa
was going to call you today, but got busy sun tanning....musy place priorities
hhb
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 Posted 05/30/2009  10:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsnpaper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coins may be rare by mintage, and even "common" coins can be rare by condition. We can talk about condition rarity, as well as mintage rarity. The other thing, which I don't hear talked about much, is how many silver coins are getting much scarcer because of melting? I have a feeling many silver coins are many times rarer than the mintage figures would make us think.
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 Posted 05/30/2009  10:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add adanak44 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is a good point "Melting" also I guess most of the MS64/63 had grade more then one time. The popularity made the "Key".
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