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Folder Paper With Typed Notes Regarding "Die Trial"?

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Hello again!

To give some context first... I recently won/purchased a "Mystery" lot filled with items at a local in-person auction house in the DE/PA area. It has everything from British colonial era buttons in apparently virtually unused condition, US & Philippines Silver Certs/banknotes, US coins, foreign coins from 1700-1800, & more... including this folded up piece of paper stored in an old banknote envelope.

It seems it could be a student's essay/paper about a die trial, but I had not heard of this sort of thing, so I wanted see if anyone here could tell me more about Die Trials & maybe give some more insight into this paper says. It may be nothing, but I still find it very interesting!

I have included pictures of the paper below, but just in case it's too blurry to read it says...

"DIE TRIAL OF A PROPOSED PATTERN WITH
THE DATE IN A VERTICAL POSITION UNLIKE
ANY PATTERN COIN LISTED IN JUDD •
UNIQUE 1877 DIE TRIAL IN PLASTER OF
PARIS-THE OBVERSE OF A PATTERN BY
GEORGE MORGAN WITH THE HEAD DESIGN
BASICALLY SIMILAR TO THE Morgan dollar
OF 1878 to 1921. THE LEGEND INCORPORATES
"E PLURIBUS UNUM" ON THE LEFT
AND THE DATE POSITIONED VERTICALLY ON
THE RIGHT WHICH IS UNLIKE ANY KNOWN
PATTERN COIN. 1877 WAS THE YEAR IN
WHICH SO MANY DESIGNS WERE PROPOSED
FOR HALF DOLLARS BY MORGAN AND OTHERS,
AND THIS MIGHT BE A PATTERN FOR A
QUARTER, AS IT IS ABOUT THAT SIZE."




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 Posted 05/30/2025  3:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nfine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a lot description from a collection or previous auction/sale.
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Did the lot include an $8000 plaster of Paris mock-up of an 1877 Morgan dollar? That would be pretty cool. =)
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I don't think "die trials" are typically made in plaster of Paris. Plaster of Paris is usually used by coin designers and engravers as a very initial model to submit a proposed coin design. As the design was subsequently rejected, no die would ever have been made with this design. As such, they are called "coin models" rather than "die trials". Such models are usually made oversize, and then converted into a coin die via a reducing machine.
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I think Sap is on the right track. Designs would be modeled in plaster and those used to create a galvano used in a reducing machine to create a hub and the hub used to create a die. The model and hub could just be the central design nad the final pattern die would be created by pressing the hub into a die blank and the lettering would be added to the die by hand using punches.

A die trial is created by pressing a die or partially finished die into a soft material, typically lead or tin to see what the finished coin would look like, Die trials are usually uniface
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