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This might seem dumb but I was wondering if a chopmark just displaces metal or actually removes some? Thinking from a weight perspective. Would multiple chopmarks remove weight from a coin?
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An interesting thought experiment. It seems to me that each individual chopmark only displaces metal rather than removing it. However, for a very heavily chopmarked coin, I wonder if the overlapping might theoretically cause some metal to break off. With that said, a low weight on a chopmarked coin seems much more likely due to either circulation wear or it being counterfeit.
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I have always assumed they just displaced the metal, but I believe Spence is correct that multiple overlapping marks would eventually cause some to metal to be lost.
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 Posted 06/18/2025  11:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Marc Ingram to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just my opinion but the first two things that come to mind when I see or hear about chopmarks is:

#1 Damage
#2 Did it happen 150 years ago or yesterday?
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Fair points.

It is damage. But is it acceptable damage? That is a personal preference.

Toning and wear should help determine when the marks were made, but that stuff can be faked as well.
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Agreed. Just because there are chopmarks does not mean the coin is genuine. I remember reading somewhere that there was a case of rather rare Chinese coin chopmarked that was sent for slab but it came out to be counterfeit!
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I remember reading somewhere that there was a case of rather rare Chinese coin chopmarked that was sent for slab but it came out to be counterfeit!
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Typically a chopmark just displaces metal so there is no loss in weight. But there was nothing to stop a merchant from carving out his mark rather than punching it. Done properly it would pretty much look the same and would only be discovered through a discrepancy in the weight. But that is the reason why when the US government offered to redeem the Trade dollars, the redemption order specified unchopmarked coins only. Chopped coins could not be redeemed.
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Chopmarks were usually applied via a punch and hammer. There isn't really a way to remove mass from something just by hitting it with a hammer.

Even multiple chopmarks should not, in and of itself, cause a mass reduction. But if a coin receives multiple chopmarks, this might create new "high points" which might be quite sharp, and thus vulnerable to subsequent wear. So from that point of view, a well-circulated heavily chopmarked coin is likely to be lighter than an equally-well-circulated un-chopmarked coin.
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